24-Aug-21
This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience features comedian and actress Eleanor Kerrigan, providing a candid and humorous perspective on her life and experiences in the comedy world. We dive into the ups and downs of the industry, the unique dynamics of the Comedy Store, and the evolution of Kerrigan’s career from waitress to successful comedian.
Topics range from the absurdities of the comedy scene to the challenges of navigating the entertainment industry, with a sprinkle of personal anecdotes and insightful reflections on life and friendship. The episode explores themes of resilience, finding your voice, the power of hard work, and the importance of genuine connection in a competitive environment.
Major Topics:
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The Reality of Podcast Studios:
- Kerrigan recounts a podcast experience where the production felt more akin to a “Tonight Show” setup than a casual conversation.
- She humorously highlights the contrast between her own stripped-down podcast style and the elaborate productions of some big-name podcasts.
- Kerrigan questions the necessity of a large crew for a podcast, finding their presence intrusive.
- This discussion touches on the evolving landscape of podcasting and the varying approaches to production.
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The Comedy Store:
- Kerrigan shares her experiences as a long-time waitress at the Comedy Store, providing unique insights into the club’s culture and history.
- She recounts encounters with legendary figures like Mitzy Shore, the club’s former owner, and the infamous “carnies” hotdog stand.
- The discussion touches on the grueling realities of being a waitress, and how those experiences shaped Kerrigan’s understanding of comedy.
- We learn about the strict policies enforced by Mitzy Shore, including her aversion to waitresses becoming comedians, which ultimately led to Kerrigan’s rise in the ranks.
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The Risks of Stand-up:
- Kerrigan reflects on the courage it took to become a comedian after years of observing the scene as a waitress.
- She compares her own transition to comedy with other late bloomers like Dean Del Rey, highlighting the vulnerability of stepping into the spotlight later in life.
- The discussion delves into the high rate of failure for waitresses who pursue stand-up, and Mitzy Shore’s skepticism about their chances.
- Kerrigan’s success story challenges the conventional wisdom that waitresses are unlikely to make it in comedy.
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The Power Dynamics of the Comedy Industry:
- Kerrigan shares a story about the infamous incident where Martin Lawrence’s bodyguard knocked out comedian Brian Holtzman at the Comedy Store.
- She highlights the stark power imbalances between established comedians and up-and-comers, particularly in the early days of her career.
- The discussion examines how agents and managers navigate the entertainment industry, often prioritizing immediate gains over long-term success.
- Kerrigan criticizes the exploitative practices of some agents and managers who attempt to own a significant percentage of their clients’ work.
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The Influence of Social Media:
- Kerrigan discusses the impact of social media on the comedy landscape, with its potential to both elevate and exploit aspiring comedians.
- She critiques the practice of “influencers” leveraging their platforms for personal gain and the pressure it creates on young comedians.
- The discussion touches on the dark side of fame and the lengths some people will go to achieve it.
- Kerrigan emphasizes the need for authenticity and genuine connection in the comedy world, rejecting the superficiality of social media fame.
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The Evolution of Security at the Comedy Store:
- Kerrigan recounts the lack of security at the Comedy Store in the 90s, leading to numerous brawls and even a shooting incident involving Tupac Shakur.
- She explains how the club’s security evolved after the Tupac shooting, eventually hiring actual security personnel instead of aspiring comedians.
- The discussion highlights the changing dynamics of the comedy scene and the increased awareness of safety concerns.
- Kerrigan’s insights provide a glimpse into the challenges of managing a high-profile comedy club and the potential risks involved.
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The Importance of Physical Activity:
- Kerrigan emphasizes the importance of regular exercise, particularly cardiovascular training, for both physical and mental well-being.
- She shares her own experience with depression and how exercise helped her overcome it, contrasting it with the limitations of medication.
- The discussion explores the connection between physical activity and mental health, highlighting the potential for exercise to improve mood and resilience.
- Kerrigan advocates for a proactive approach to mental health, encouraging listeners to prioritize their physical well-being as a means to combat depression and anxiety.
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The Nature of Comedy:
- Kerrigan delves into the history of stand-up comedy, tracing its evolution from Lenny Bruce to Richard Pryor and Sam Kinison.
- She highlights the courage of these early pioneers who pushed boundaries and challenged societal norms through humor.
- The discussion explores the role of pain and suffering in comedy, recognizing how personal experiences can fuel comedic brilliance.
- Kerrigan emphasizes the importance of honesty and vulnerability in stand-up, acknowledging how sharing personal stories can resonate with audiences on a deeper level.
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The Power of Community:
- Kerrigan discusses the importance of camaraderie and support within the comedy community, contrasting the competitive dynamics of the past.
- She highlights how social media and the internet have fostered a sense of collaboration and shared success among comedians, creating a more supportive environment.
- The discussion emphasizes the power of lifting each other up and recognizing the shared journey of navigating the comedy world.
- Kerrigan advocates for a supportive and inclusive community that celebrates the accomplishments of all comedians.
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The Value of Experience:
- Kerrigan shares her observations on how Mitzy Shore’s unconventional approaches to managing the Comedy Store ultimately shaped the club’s legacy.
- She recounts the club’s infamous “theme nights,” which while seemingly outlandish, provided a platform for comedians to experiment and push boundaries.
- The discussion highlights the importance of embracing risk and experimentation in comedy, acknowledging that success often arises from unexpected places.
- Kerrigan’s insights emphasize the valuable lessons learned from experience and the importance of embracing unconventional approaches.
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The Importance of Humility:
- Kerrigan reflects on the impact of light pollution on our perception of the cosmos, suggesting a disconnect between our understanding of human insignificance and the vastness of the universe.
- She shares her own experience with feeling overwhelmed by the open spaces of the country, highlighting the unique perspective of someone raised in a densely populated urban area.
- The discussion explores the importance of recognizing our place in the grand scheme of things and embracing the transient nature of life.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to appreciate the beauty of the universe and find meaning in the brief time we have.
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The Absurdity of Human Behavior:
- Kerrigan highlights the illogical and often humorous nature of human behavior, using examples like people calling 911 after witnessing the Milky Way for the first time.
- She emphasizes the tendency for humans to react with fear and panic in the face of the unknown, often resorting to irrational behavior.
- The discussion explores the concept of “infantilization,” suggesting that humans often act out of a sense of naiveté and a lack of understanding.
- Kerrigan’s observations encourage listeners to question their own biases and embrace a sense of curiosity and open-mindedness.
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The Role of Alcohol:
- Kerrigan discusses the cultural significance of alcohol in Ireland and its role in shaping Irish identity, delving into the historical and social context of heavy drinking.
- She recounts her own experiences with Irish drinking culture, highlighting the boisterous and often unpredictable nature of Irish revelry.
- The discussion explores the complexities of alcohol consumption, recognizing both its potential for social bonding and its negative consequences.
- Kerrigan’s insights provide a humorous and insightful perspective on the unique relationship between Irish culture and alcohol.
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The Impact of Population Density:
- Kerrigan reflects on the impact of large population density on human behavior and our perception of one another.
- She contrasts the feeling of community in smaller groups with the sense of anonymity and detachment in densely populated cities.
- The discussion examines the psychological effects of being overwhelmed by large crowds, suggesting that it can lead to a diminished sense of individual value and connection.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to consider the impact of population density on their own lives and relationships.
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The Role of Stem Cell Therapy:
- Kerrigan recounts her experience accompanying Mitzy Shore to the Dominican Republic for stem cell therapy, offering a personal perspective on the procedure.
- She explores the ethical and legal complexities surrounding stem cell therapy, highlighting the varying regulations and restrictions in different countries.
- The discussion examines the potential benefits and risks of stem cell therapy, recognizing its potential to address various health conditions.
- Kerrigan’s insights provide a glimpse into the evolving world of medical treatments and the challenges of navigating a rapidly changing landscape.
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The Importance of Finding Your Groove:
- Kerrigan reflects on the journeys of comedians like Sebastian Maniscalco and Theo Von, highlighting how they each found their unique comedic voices over time.
- She acknowledges the challenges of breaking through in comedy, particularly for those who don’t fit into traditional molds or come from non-traditional backgrounds.
- The discussion emphasizes the importance of perseverance, finding your unique style, and embracing the process of growth and development.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to stay true to themselves and their artistic visions, recognizing that success often comes from defying expectations.
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The Value of Honesty:
- Kerrigan shares a personal anecdote about giving Richard Pryor a glass of water disguised as a martini, illustrating the difficult choices sometimes faced by comedians and those around them.
- She discusses the importance of being honest with oneself and with others, even when it’s challenging or uncomfortable.
- The discussion explores the complexities of navigating personal relationships in the context of professional success and the importance of prioritizing well-being.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to prioritize truthfulness and authenticity in their interactions, even when it’s difficult.
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The Art of Storytelling:
- Kerrigan acknowledges the power of storytelling in comedy, recognizing how personal narratives can resonate with audiences on a deeper level.
- She discusses the unique approach of comedians like Richard Pryor, who seamlessly blended humor with honesty and vulnerability.
- The discussion explores the role of empathy and understanding in comedy, emphasizing how relatable stories can connect with audiences on a personal level.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to appreciate the art of storytelling and the power of sharing personal experiences.
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The Impact of Ego:
- Kerrigan explores the destructive nature of ego and competition within the comedy world, particularly in the past, when comedians felt threatened by the success of their peers.
- She highlights the importance of collaboration and mutual support, emphasizing the benefits of a community that lifts each other up.
- The discussion examines how ego can hinder growth and prevent artists from reaching their full potential.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to embrace humility, support their peers, and foster a positive and collaborative environment.
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The Power of Observation:
- Kerrigan discusses the importance of observation in comedy, highlighting how comedians draw inspiration from everyday life and the quirks of human behavior.
- She shares anecdotes about her own process of observing and interpreting the world around her, emphasizing the role of sharp wit and keen insights in shaping her comedic style.
- The discussion encourages listeners to pay attention to the details of everyday life and find humor in the unexpected.
- Kerrigan’s insights emphasize the value of being present and observant in order to tap into the rich tapestry of human experience that fuels comedic brilliance.
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The Power of Belief:
- Kerrigan reflects on the importance of believing in oneself and in one’s dreams, particularly when facing challenges or setbacks.
- She shares her own journey of overcoming adversity and the importance of staying focused on one’s goals despite obstacles.
- The discussion emphasizes the power of positive thinking and the importance of surrounding oneself with supportive people who believe in one’s potential.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to embrace a growth mindset, persist through challenges, and never give up on their dreams.
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The Importance of Self-Care:
- Kerrigan discusses the importance of prioritizing self-care in the face of a demanding career and the pressures of navigating the entertainment industry.
- She highlights the benefits of meditation and mindfulness practices for maintaining mental well-being and reducing stress.
- The discussion emphasizes the need to find healthy ways to cope with stress and anxiety, encouraging listeners to incorporate self-care rituals into their daily routines.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to prioritize their well-being and create a balance between work and personal life.
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The Nature of Intelligence:
- Kerrigan explores the complexities of intelligence, questioning whether traditional measures of IQ accurately reflect an individual’s true capabilities.
- She discusses the concept of “street smarts” and the importance of adaptability and social intelligence, acknowledging that academic prowess does not always translate to real-world success.
- The discussion encourages listeners to recognize the diverse forms of intelligence and to embrace their own unique talents and strengths.
- Kerrigan’s insights challenge conventional notions of intelligence and encourage a broader understanding of human potential.
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The Role of Humor in Difficult Times:
- Kerrigan reflects on the importance of humor in navigating challenging times, particularly during the pandemic, when fear and uncertainty were widespread.
- She acknowledges the role of comedy in providing a sense of release, perspective, and connection during difficult times.
- The discussion emphasizes the power of laughter to unite people, create a sense of shared experience, and offer a moment of respite from hardship.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to embrace humor as a coping mechanism and find joy in the midst of adversity.
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The Value of Authenticity:
- Kerrigan emphasizes the importance of being authentic and genuine in one’s interactions with others.
- She discusses the dangers of trying to please everyone and the need to embrace one’s true self.
- The discussion encourages listeners to be true to themselves, even when it’s difficult or challenging.
- Kerrigan’s insights highlight the importance of self-acceptance and the strength that comes from embracing one’s individuality.
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The Power of Friendship:
- Kerrigan reflects on the importance of friendship and the role it plays in navigating the challenges of life.
- She discusses the bonds she has formed with fellow comedians, emphasizing the strength and support they provide.
- The discussion highlights the value of genuine connection and the importance of surrounding oneself with people who uplift and inspire.
- Kerrigan’s insights encourage listeners to cultivate meaningful friendships and nurture the relationships that bring joy and support.
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The Impact of Cultural Stereotypes:
- Kerrigan delves into the cultural stereotypes surrounding Irish people and their relationship with alcohol, challenging the notion that all Irish people are heavy drinkers.
- She emphasizes the diversity of Irish culture and the importance of recognizing individual identities beyond stereotypes.
- The discussion encourages listeners to be mindful of cultural stereotypes and to challenge generalizations that perpetuate negative perceptions.
- Kerrigan’s insights promote a more nuanced understanding of cultural identity and the importance of celebrating diversity.
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The Power of Vulnerability:
- Kerrigan acknowledges the importance of being vulnerable and sharing one’s struggles with others, highlighting how it can foster connection and empathy.
- She discusses the role of vulnerability in building genuine relationships and creating a sense of shared experience.
- The discussion encourages listeners to embrace their vulnerabilities and find strength in sharing their stories with others.
- Kerrigan’s insights emphasize the power of vulnerability to foster connection and create a more supportive and compassionate community.
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The Importance of Recognizing Your Strengths:
- Kerrigan emphasizes the importance of recognizing one’s strengths and using them to achieve their goals.
- She shares her own experience of realizing her strengths in areas like physical activity and resilience, and how those qualities contributed to her success.
- The discussion encourages listeners to identify their own strengths and to leverage them to overcome challenges and achieve their aspirations.
- Kerrigan’s insights emphasize the importance of self-awareness and the power of using one’s strengths to achieve greatness.
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The Power of Humor to Heal:
- Kerrigan reflects on the healing power of laughter and the importance of using humor to cope with difficult experiences.
- She shares her own experience of using humor to deal with challenging situations and the power it has to bring joy and perspective.
- The discussion encourages listeners to embrace humor as a coping mechanism and to find moments of joy in their lives.
- Kerrigan’s insights emphasize the importance of laughter as a tool for healing and resilience.
5 Memorable Quotes:
- “Everybody thinks they’re supposed to be running the Tonight Show. You know what I’m saying? And everybody’s not the Tonight Show. No. Like, you don’t wanna be.” – Eleanor Kerrigan
- “Waitresses, here are jokes over and over, and all the magic’s gone. All the magic’s gone. You see every trick.” – Eleanor Kerrigan
- “It’s so much of a risk. Well, she would say no. And so when I called her, when I started doing stand up, I called her and I said, hey, I’m doing this one woman show. Oh, yeah. I said, and I’d love to work it out in the belly room because I was so nervous, and I really was thinking it was a one woman chill. And I was like, I’ll just work it out in the belly room. You know? That’s I I respect the club so much. But The belly rooms. The belly room. You know, it’s still great, but it’s just, you know, a little easier to get on. And she goes, She goes, oh, okay. She goes on. No. And I go, what? She goes, oh, waitress turned comic. It’s always bad. It’s not always bad, but it’s mostly bad.” – Eleanor Kerrigan
- “The only proof of life is death. So it’s so You got a sufferer. Yeah. The people I know they’re the most miserable don’t suffer on purpose.” – Eleanor Kerrigan
- “I’m not saying that, like, you’re the direct descendants. I’m saying it’s kidding. Whether it’s England or Ireland or England. England. Yeah. Well, I want rape. Yeah. So definitely English in there. — each other. They all fucked each other. They just talk similarly. Child child child child child child civil living. similarly. Similarly. I’m gonna drink this last night. Listen. They they talk similar similarly. Similarly. No. You’re right. You’re right. Similarly.” – Joe Rogan