13-May-20
This podcast delves deep into the anxieties, frustrations, and absurdity surrounding the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, showcasing a humorous and introspective discussion between Joe Rogan and comedian Tom Papa. Provocative topics include the efficacy of stay-at-home orders, the role of the immune system, the confusion surrounding public health advice, and the potential for a resurgence in the fall. Underlying themes explore the tension between individual liberty and collective safety, the importance of critical thinking, the unpredictable nature of viral outbreaks, and the importance of a healthy lifestyle.
Topics Covered in Joe Rogan Experience #1473 – Tom Papa:
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The Efficacy of Stay-at-Home Orders:
- Joe and Tom discuss the LA County’s decision to extend the stay-at-home order for another three months.
- Tom argues that the order is causing significant economic hardship, potentially harming people’s livelihoods and mental well-being.
- They debate the effectiveness of the order in controlling the spread of the virus and whether it is a necessary measure.
- Tom questions the rationale for banning beach activities like sitting on towels and picnicking while allowing water sports.
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The Immune System and the Pandemic:
- Joe and Tom discuss the role of the immune system in fighting COVID-19.
- They debate whether it’s possible to strengthen the immune system, challenging the notion that it is solely determined by genetics.
- They speculate on the potential for a weakened immune system due to prolonged isolation, making people more susceptible to illness.
- They criticize the spread of misinformation online regarding the immune system and the pandemic.
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The Confusion Surrounding Public Health Advice:
- Joe and Tom express frustration with the constantly evolving public health advice regarding mask-wearing, social distancing, and other measures.
- They question the scientific basis for certain restrictions, such as the ban on chairs at the beach.
- They criticize the inconsistent messaging and lack of clear guidance, making it difficult for people to navigate the pandemic.
- Tom expresses concern about the growing reliance on government-issued lists and restrictions, potentially hindering individual freedom and autonomy.
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The Potential for a Resurgence in the Fall:
- Joe and Tom discuss Dr. Anthony Fauci’s warning about a possible resurgence of the virus in the fall due to flu season.
- They express concern that the country may not be adequately prepared for a second wave, highlighting the need for increased testing and other measures.
- Tom notes that the historical pattern of the Spanish flu suggests a fall spike could be worse than the spring spike.
- They ponder whether the virus’s behavior in the fall will be different in 2020 due to increased knowledge and preparedness.
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The Role of Individual Responsibility and Choice:
- Tom argues that people should have the freedom to make their own choices regarding health and safety, even if it involves risk.
- He advocates for targeted quarantine measures for high-risk individuals, allowing others to engage in normal activities.
- They discuss the potential for herd immunity, suggesting that a natural spread of the virus might be a more effective solution than prolonged lockdowns.
- They acknowledge the difficult balancing act between protecting lives and restoring the economy.
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The Impact of the Pandemic on Live Events and Entertainment:
- Joe and Tom discuss the impact of the pandemic on the live events industry, including stand-up comedy, music concerts, and sporting events.
- Tom shares his experiences performing at an empty UFC arena and dining at a mostly vacant Morton Steakhouse, illustrating the surreal atmosphere.
- They explore the challenges of restarting live performances, including limited seating capacity, social distancing requirements, and economic viability.
- Tom discusses the potential for stand-up comedy residencies and tours, highlighting the industry’s resilience and adaptability.
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The Pandemic’s Effect on Mental Health and Well-being:
- Joe and Tom discuss the mental health challenges of prolonged isolation, including increased anxiety, stress, and depression.
- Tom suggests that the pandemic may be a catalyst for people to prioritize their physical and mental health.
- They discuss the importance of exercise, nutrition, and other healthy habits in maintaining well-being during challenging times.
- They express concern about the potential for long-term psychological effects of the pandemic.
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The Rise of Virtual Entertainment and the Future of Technology:
- Joe and Tom discuss the surge in virtual entertainment during the pandemic, including online podcasts, video games, and social media platforms.
- They ponder the implications of Elon Musk’s Neuralink project, suggesting it might lead to a future where human-computer interaction is significantly enhanced.
- They discuss the potential for a transition to a virtual world, similar to the concept depicted in the film Ready Player One, where people may find more fulfillment in digital experiences.
- They explore the biological and psychological factors that may limit the complete adoption of a virtual world, suggesting that human beings have an inherent need for physical connection.
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The Controversial Return of Boxing Legends:
- Joe and Tom discuss the recent announcement of Mike Tyson’s return to boxing, highlighting the unexpected comeback of a legendary fighter.
- They debate the ethical and health implications of older fighters returning to the sport, questioning whether they are taking unnecessary risks.
- They discuss the role of testosterone replacement therapy and other performance-enhancing drugs in the sport, exploring how they might be affecting fighters’ longevity and performance.
- They speculate on a potential fight between Tyson and Evander Holyfield, reflecting the resurgence of interest in vintage boxing.
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The Pandemic’s Impact on Food Supply Chains and Hunting:
- Joe and Tom discuss the pandemic’s disruption of food supply chains, including the reported shortage of beef at Wendy’s restaurants.
- They acknowledge the increased interest in hunting as people seek more control over their food sources during times of uncertainty.
- They discuss the ethical and practical considerations of hunting, including the importance of respect for animals and the potential benefits for food security.
- Joe shares his own experiences with hunting elk, emphasizing the unique connection to food and the environment it provides.
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The Role of Government in the Pandemic Response:
- Joe and Tom critique the government’s response to the pandemic, expressing frustration with inconsistent policies, bureaucratic inefficiencies, and the potential for political motivations.
- They discuss the potential for government overreach, questioning whether it is necessary to restrict personal freedoms during a pandemic.
- Tom advocates for a more targeted approach, focusing on protecting vulnerable populations while allowing others to engage in normal activities.
- They express concern about the potential for a lasting impact on individual liberties and the economy.
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The Importance of Community and Connection:
- Joe and Tom emphasize the importance of human connection and community, highlighting the psychological toll of prolonged isolation.
- They share stories about the importance of their own communities and how they have been affected by the pandemic.
- They discuss the importance of supporting local businesses and maintaining relationships during difficult times.
- They express optimism about the resilience of human beings and their capacity to overcome challenges.
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The Role of the Media and Political Polarization:
- Joe and Tom discuss the role of the media in shaping public perceptions of the pandemic, highlighting the potential for sensationalism, misinformation, and political bias.
- They critique the “gotcha” culture in media and politics, emphasizing how it can exacerbate division and hinder productive dialogue.
- They discuss the challenges of obtaining accurate information and navigating the complex landscape of media sources.
- They express concern about the polarized political climate and how it can hinder effective pandemic response.
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The Power of Comfort Food:
- Joe and Tom discuss the importance of comfort food and how it can provide a sense of nostalgia, warmth, and connection.
- They share stories about their favorite comfort foods, including lasagna, pasta, and bread.
- They explore the cultural significance of comfort food and how it can evoke memories and traditions.
- Tom emphasizes the role of comfort food in providing emotional sustenance during challenging times.
Memorable Quotes:
- “I don’t think there’s anything wrong with eating a little bit of bullshit every now and then. Sure. But you’re literally using it as fuel to power your body. If you wanna give it the best fuel possible. Of course, of course.” – Tom Papa on the importance of fueling the body with healthy food.
- “You gotta get people back to it. Well, that’s that thing. That balance. And it’s like, I think we’ve gone pretty far that one way. Yeah. And now you’re gonna really start hurting people. Utah doesn’t give a fuck. No. Let’s go. Well, in in controlled ways. But, you know, they’re not being mindless about it. They’re not being irresponsible. They’re not saying come out old people.” – Tom Papa on the need for a balanced approach to reopening the economy.
- “We’re in a food kid, and we’re not growing anything. We’re not where we where we can get food. There’s a lot of people that started thinking about hunting. Why isn’t it funny? Like, all that stuff cooking at home. How about done? The bread baking at home, the the hunting, all those things that you had to do for centuries. Yes. And then only in this brief moment, have you not had to do any of that stuff? You know what I mean? Those food chains like Wendy’s. Like, I mean, that’s a new thing that became that easy. And then all of a sudden, it’s back to being worried about where the food comes from. Yeah. Like that. Yeah.” – Joe Rogan on the return of traditional food practices.
- “It’s a complete disintegration. Right? Yep. It’s been a that’s the result of a breakdown, and that’s what’s been so that’s why it doesn’t work in communist countries. Like, you can’t trust the source for your information. Right? That’s what we’re at in a democracy. We’re no one can trust the sort. We’re all scrambling. Like, does this one know? Does this one know? Does this one What’s a direct result of his toxic relationship with the press. Yes. Because people are so people who are with him are so with him and people are against him are so against him. it’s almost like people with them part of the reason why they’re with them is because they’re so against all these other fucking whiny, bitchy, liberal people that fucking That size is so annoying. No. I’m going with Trump. He tells him to fuck off. That’s my favorite part. Right. He makes them he makes those people angry.” – Joe Rogan and Tom Papa discuss the polarization of the media and the negative effects on public discourse.
- “It’s not even my idea. It’s an idea that everybody’s had. A lot of people have had that many many people If you’re really vulnerable, don’t go. If you got a bad knee, you don’t get to ski. It’s true. Right? You know? True. Yeah. True. We’ll be alright, Joe. We’re gonna be We better be Tom Papa. We’re gonna be alright. Again, bored. I know me too. I can’t wait. Oh, I can’t wait to be walking into the walking into the club, seeing you in the back, hearing the crowd out front. Ah, no. I’m all that energy. Looking forward to a lot of things. Yeah. I mean Looking forward to a lot of things.” – Tom Papa expresses hope for a return to normalcy and the joys of live entertainment.