JRE MMA Show #84 with Brendan Schaub

This podcast features a conversation between Joe Rogan and Brendan Schaub, revolving around recent and upcoming MMA fights. The discussion touches on various fighters and their individual fighting styles, personalities, and career trajectories. Beneath the surface, the podcast delves into the themes of self-identity, resilience, and the impact of MMA on fighters’ lives.

1. Brendan Schaub’s Retirement from MMA:

   • Joe Rogan expresses relief that Brendan Schaub is no longer fighting, highlighting concerns about the long-term effects of MMA on his health.
   • Rogan acknowledges being harsh with Schaub in the past, attempting to force him to retire due to his perceived vulnerability to further injury.
   • The conversation touches on the struggles fighters face when they retire, especially those who lack alternative career paths and rely heavily on their fighter identity.
   • The podcast reflects the deep bond and concern Rogan has for Schaub’s well-being, transcending their professional relationship.

2. John Jones’ Dominance and Cruise Control:

   • Rogan and Schaub discuss John Jones’ current fighting style, characterized by a sense of relaxed dominance and a lack of perceived urgency.
   • They suggest that Jones’ undefeated record and his previous dominance may contribute to his seemingly less aggressive approach, as he no longer feels the need to prove himself.
   • The conversation touches on the challenges of maintaining motivation and focus when at the pinnacle of your sport, even for a fighter of Jones’ caliber.
   • The podcast explores the psychological aspects of fighting, highlighting how a fighter’s mental state can influence their performance.

3. The Controversial USADA and Tainted Supplements:

   • Rogan and Schaub discuss the complexities of the USADA’s testing procedures and its impact on fighters who have tested positive for banned substances.
   • They acknowledge the evolving nature of testing technology and its ability to detect minute traces of substances that may not have been intended as performance enhancers.
   • The conversation highlights the potential for unfair suspensions due to contaminated supplements or trace amounts of banned substances, raising questions about the fairness of the system.
   • The podcast delves into the ethical dilemmas surrounding the use of supplements and the potential for unintended consequences in a sport that relies heavily on physical performance.

4. The Rise of Israel Adesanya and a Potential Showdown with John Jones:

   • Rogan and Schaub discuss Israel Adesanya’s meteoric rise to fame and the potential for a future fight with John Jones.
   • They acknowledge the size difference between Adesanya and Jones, with some suggesting Adesanya may be too small to compete at heavyweight.
   • The podcast highlights the ongoing rivalry and trash-talking between Adesanya and Jones, which has generated excitement and intrigue among fans.
   • The conversation explores the implications of such a fight for both fighters’ legacies, potentially creating a new era in the light heavyweight division.

5. The Wildness of Jorge Masvidal and His Potential Opponents:

   • Rogan and Schaub discuss Jorge Masvidal’s unique fighting style, characterized by explosive power and a willingness to engage in brawls.
   • They explore Masvidal’s current career trajectory, including his recent victory over Nate Diaz for the “BMF” belt and his potential future opponents, such as Nick Diaz and Conor McGregor.
   • The podcast highlights the appeal of Masvidal’s personality and fighting style, which have made him a fan favorite and a major draw for the UFC.
   • The conversation explores the implications of Masvidal’s choices, potentially sacrificing a title shot for high-profile, lucrative fights that may not necessarily advance his career.

6. The Legacy of Conor McGregor and His Comeback Fight against Cowboy Cerrone:

   • Rogan and Schaub discuss Conor McGregor’s highly anticipated comeback fight against Cowboy Cerrone, analyzing their respective fighting styles and potential strategies.
   • They speculate on the impact of McGregor’s recent hiatus from fighting and his move up to welterweight, questioning whether his power and timing will be diminished.
   • The podcast examines the significance of the fight for both fighters, as it represents a potential turning point in their careers.
   • The conversation delves into the financial implications of the fight, highlighting the high stakes and the potential for both fighters to earn significant revenue.

7. The “Controlled Chaos” of Justin Gaethje:

   • Rogan and Schaub discuss Justin Gaethje’s aggressive fighting style, described as “controlled chaos.”
   • They acknowledge the danger Gaethje poses to his opponents due to his relentless pressure and willingness to engage in high-risk, high-reward exchanges.
   • The podcast highlights Gaethje’s recent losses, suggesting they may be forcing him to become more calculated and strategic in his approach.
   • The conversation explores the potential for Gaethje to emerge as a contender for the lightweight title, given his unique skill set and his ability to overcome adversity.

8. The Impact of Pride Fighting Championships on MMA:

   • Rogan and Schaub discuss the legacy of Pride Fighting Championships and its impact on the evolution of MMA.
   • They highlight the unique rules and fighting styles of Pride, which favored a more stand-up, aggressive approach.
   • The podcast explores the cultural significance of Pride in Japan and its contribution to the global popularity of MMA.
   • The conversation touches on the differences between Pride and the UFC, particularly in terms of their rules, marketing, and approach to fighters.

9. The “Unforgettable” Power of Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic:

   • Rogan and Schaub discuss Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic’s iconic status in MMA, known for his devastating left high kick and his dominant fighting style.
   • They highlight Cro Cop’s career trajectory, spanning both Pride and the UFC, and his contributions to the sport’s growth.
   • The podcast explores the significance of Cro Cop’s signature move, the left high kick, which became synonymous with his fighting style and a symbol of his power.
   • The conversation touches on Cro Cop’s personality and his influence on younger fighters, demonstrating the respect and admiration he commands in the MMA community.

10. The Underrated Talent of Leon Edwards:

    • Rogan and Schaub discuss Leon Edwards’ impressive winning streak and his underrated talent in the welterweight division.
    • They acknowledge that Edwards has not received the same level of recognition as some of his peers, despite his consistently impressive performances.
    • The podcast highlights Edwards’ durability and his ability to overcome adversity, particularly in his recent win over Cowboy Cerrone.
    • The conversation explores the potential for Edwards to break through and become a major contender for the welterweight title, given his recent success and his unique skill set.

11. The Unpredictability of Andy Ruiz Jr. and His Rematch with Anthony Joshua:

    • Rogan and Schaub discuss Andy Ruiz Jr.’s stunning upset victory over Anthony Joshua and the highly anticipated rematch.
    • They analyze the factors that contributed to Ruiz’s victory, including his power, speed, and ability to withstand Joshua’s punches.
    • The podcast explores the psychological impact of Ruiz’s victory on both fighters and the potential for Joshua to make adjustments in the rematch.
    • The conversation touches on the significance of the fight for the heavyweight division and the potential for a new era in the sport’s history.

12. The Phenomenal Cardio of Tony Ferguson:

    • Rogan and Schaub discuss Tony Ferguson’s incredible cardio and his ability to maintain a high level of intensity throughout a fight.
    • They acknowledge Ferguson’s unique fighting style, which combines relentless pressure, unorthodox techniques, and a remarkable ability to adapt to different situations.
    • The podcast highlights the potential for a third fight between Ferguson and Khabib Nurmagomedov, which could potentially determine the undisputed lightweight champion.
    • The conversation explores the implications of Ferguson’s fighting style for his opponents, highlighting the challenges of finding a solution to his relentless pressure and adaptability.

13. The Importance of Camaraderie in Comedy and MMA:

    • Rogan and Schaub discuss the importance of camaraderie and support among fighters and comedians, particularly in the face of adversity.
    • They acknowledge the unique challenges and pressures faced by those in these professions, emphasizing the value of having a strong support system.
    • The podcast highlights how the culture of comedy has shifted in recent years, moving away from a more competitive environment to one of greater collaboration and support.
    • The conversation explores the parallels between comedy and MMA, highlighting how both disciplines require a high level of self-belief, resilience, and a willingness to push boundaries.

14. The Power of “Interestingness” in Comedy:

    • Rogan and Schaub discuss the importance of being “interesting” in comedy, beyond just being funny.
    • They highlight the value of having a unique perspective and a captivating personality, which can attract an audience and create a lasting impact.
    • The podcast explores the concept of “comedy genius” and how it goes beyond pure humor, often involving an ability to connect with an audience on a deeper level.
    • The conversation touches on the importance of finding your voice as a comedian and the potential for success when you embrace your individuality and uniqueness.

15. The “Wild West” Era of Early MMA:

    • Rogan and Schaub discuss the early days of MMA, which they describe as the “Wild West” era.
    • They acknowledge the lack of regulation and the potential for fighters to engage in more dangerous and potentially harmful techniques.
    • The podcast explores the evolution of MMA rules and regulations, highlighting how the sport has become safer and more professional.
    • The conversation touches on the challenges of comparing fighters from different eras, given the significant differences in training, rules, and testing standards.

16. The Impact of Performance-Enhancing Drugs on MMA:

    • Rogan and Schaub discuss the use of performance-enhancing drugs in MMA and its impact on the sport.
    • They acknowledge the prevalence of PED use in the past and the ongoing efforts of USADA to combat the problem.
    • The podcast explores the ethical dilemmas surrounding the use of PEDs and the potential for athletes to gain an unfair advantage.
    • The conversation touches on the consequences of PED use, including suspensions, fines, and damage to an athlete’s reputation.

17. The Unpredictability of “Freak Athletes” in MMA:

    • Rogan and Schaub discuss the unique abilities of “freak athletes” in MMA, such as Francis Ngannou and Derrick Lewis.
    • They acknowledge the raw power and explosiveness of these fighters, highlighting their potential to finish fights with a single strike.
    • The podcast explores the limitations of traditional training methods for these athletes, given their unusual physical capabilities.
    • The conversation touches on the excitement and danger these fighters bring to the sport, making them fan favorites and unpredictable threats to their opponents.

18. The Allure and Dangers of Belief Systems:

    • The podcast touches on the allure of belief systems, particularly in the context of MMA, where fighters often embrace a strong belief in their abilities.
    • It also acknowledges the dangers of blind faith and the importance of critically evaluating beliefs and practices.
    • The conversation touches on the importance of seeking out a support system that can provide guidance and support in navigating the complexities of belief systems.
    • The podcast explores the theme of self-discovery and the importance of questioning assumptions, particularly in the context of a sport that relies heavily on physical and mental strength.

19. The Impact of MMA on Fighters’ Lives:

    • The podcast reflects the impact of MMA on fighters’ lives, both positive and negative.
    • It highlights the physical and mental toll of the sport, particularly in the long term.
    • The conversation touches on the financial rewards and the potential for fame and recognition that MMA can bring.
    • The podcast explores the importance of developing a strong support system and having a plan for life after fighting, recognizing the finite nature of a fighting career.

Memorable Quotes:

1. “I was real scared that that was going to happen to you. I was real scared, you know?” – Rogan expresses his concern for Brendan Schaub’s well-being.
2. “I think John’s one of those guys too, like we kind of because of his last few opponents and was like, God, maybe he’s always last step. I watch and I go, oh he’s playing with his food. He’s playing with his food.” – Schaub describes John Jones’ fighting style.
3. “The only thing is usada has a long career. You know when you got a guy like Tim means or a guy like Josh Burnett, there’s a window.” – Rogan discusses the impact of USADA’s testing procedures.
4. “The narcissist and the dream of oh I can beat Kane or Steve A, these guys. And I think the only way that I could have bridge that gap is by you going so hard in the pain.” – Schaub reflects on his past self.
5. “I’m telling you, wait till he goes to heavyweight, you’re going to see the old John. When there’s actual where he thinks it’s a challenge.” – Schaub predicts a change in John Jones’ fighting style.