JRE #1304 - Brendan Schaub

23-May-19

This podcast features a conversation between Joe Rogan and Brendan Schaub, a mixed martial artist, former NFL player, and comedian, discussing a wide range of topics from comedy to boxing to the nature of reality itself.

Provocative themes include the dangers of online negativity, the complexities of mental health, and the dark side of human nature.

Underlying themes delve into the nature of success, the allure of exclusivity, and the balance between ambition and contentment.

Major Topics:

1. Brendan Schaub’s Comedy Special:

Brendan Schaub discusses the stress and anxieties surrounding his upcoming Showtime special, “You’d Be Surprised,” highlighting the pressure of public judgment.
He emphasizes the importance of working hard and constantly improving, reflecting on his journey as a comedian.
He also touches on the potential for negativity online, acknowledging that he avoids reading comments after releases to protect his mental well-being.
The conversation delves into the pressures of fame and the constant need to strive for greatness, even when feeling satisfied with achievements.

2. The Importance of Good Mentors and Coaching:

Brendan Schaub compares his relationship with comedian Theo Von to that of a coach and player, highlighting Theo’s unique comedic talent and his own role as a supporting force.
The discussion highlights the value of having a strong coach or mentor, especially in competitive fields like comedy and fighting, to push individuals to their full potential.
The discussion emphasizes the importance of finding mentors who can guide and challenge individuals to grow and improve, even when those individuals feel they have reached a high level of success.
The conversation explores the concept of “big dick energy” in the context of mentorship, suggesting that some coaches or mentors may inflate their students’ egos in a way that may not always be beneficial.

3. The Controversial Nature of Language and Speech:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan engage in a nuanced discussion about the power of language, highlighting the potential for words to be used in both positive and negative ways.
They discuss the importance of intent when using language, arguing that certain words can be used humorously or affectionately without being derogatory.
The conversation delves into the history of words and their changing connotations, acknowledging the evolving nature of social norms and the impact of language on social dynamics.
They also discuss the potential for language to be used to manipulate and control others, highlighting the need for critical thinking and awareness of the power of words.

4. The Allure of Exclusivity and Limited Edition Items:

The conversation explores the psychology of exclusivity, delving into the appeal of rare and limited-edition cars, watches, and other items.
They discuss how companies like Ferrari create artificial scarcity to drive up demand and desirability, highlighting the human fascination with being part of an exclusive club.
They also acknowledge the potential for this fascination to become unhealthy, leading individuals to prioritize acquiring material possessions over other aspects of their lives.
The conversation touches on the idea of “velvet prisons,” suggesting that while some exclusive items may seem desirable, they can also trap individuals in a cycle of striving for more, ultimately preventing them from experiencing genuine happiness.

5. The Rise of Uber and the Impact on Driving Culture:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the increasing prevalence of ride-sharing services like Uber and their impact on driving culture.
They acknowledge the convenience and safety benefits of Uber, particularly in reducing drunk driving, but also express concern about the potential for reduced driving skills among younger generations.
They also raise concerns about the potential for safety risks associated with Uber, particularly the unpredictability of drivers and the lack of control over the environment.
The conversation explores the broader social implications of Uber and other ride-sharing services, including their impact on car ownership and the potential for increased social isolation.

6. The Fascination with True Crime and Serial Killers:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan explore the widespread fascination with true crime and serial killers, discussing the psychological appeal of these dark and disturbing topics.
They delve into the complexities of human psychology, discussing the roots of violence and the factors that contribute to the development of psychopathy.
The conversation highlights the impact of true crime content on viewers, particularly the potential for increased anxiety and nightmares.
They also discuss the ethical considerations of consuming true crime content, particularly the potential for exploiting victims and glamorizing violence.

7. The Power of the Heavyweight Division in Boxing:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the current heavyweight division in boxing, highlighting the emergence of a new generation of knockout artists, including Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.
They discuss the allure of heavyweight boxing, emphasizing the raw power and unpredictability of the fights.
The conversation explores the legacy of Mike Tyson and the potential for Wilder to become the next great heavyweight champion.
They also acknowledge the complexities of the boxing business, discussing the role of promoters and the challenges of getting top fighters to face each other.

8. The Impact of Mental Health on Athletic Performance:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the importance of mental health for athletes, highlighting how mental state can impact performance in the ring or cage.
They discuss how grief and loss can impact an athlete’s ability to compete, using Kevin Lee’s struggles following the death of his coach as an example.
The conversation also highlights the importance of finding the right coaching and support systems to help athletes manage their mental health and navigate difficult times.
They emphasize the need for athletes to take care of their overall well-being, acknowledging the link between physical and mental health.

9. The Risks and Rewards of Bare Knuckle Boxing:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the rise of bare knuckle boxing, highlighting the potential for increased brutality and risk of injury.
They discuss the potential for financial gain in bare knuckle boxing, acknowledging that it can offer fighters a lucrative opportunity, particularly if they are willing to take the risks.
The conversation explores the potential for fighters like Paulie Malignaggi to experience a resurgence in popularity by competing in bare knuckle boxing.
They also discuss the ethical considerations of bare knuckle boxing, raising concerns about the potential for long-term health consequences and the possibility of fighters suffering serious injuries.

10. The Importance of Recognizing Different Levels of Skill in Combat Sports:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the layered nature of combat sports, highlighting how different fighters can excel in different disciplines, such as kickboxing, Muay Thai, and MMA.
They use the example of Cosmo Alexander, a world-class kickboxer, to illustrate how a fighter who excels in one discipline may not necessarily be successful in another.
The conversation emphasizes the need for fighters to have a well-rounded skillset and to recognize their strengths and weaknesses in order to compete effectively.
They also discuss the importance of matchmaking and how poor matchmaking can lead to lopsided fights and potentially damaging outcomes for fighters.

11. The Evolution of Special Effects in Film and Television:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the advancements in special effects technology, particularly in the portrayal of dragons in film and television.
They compare the dragons in the film “Reign of Fire” to the dragons in “Game of Thrones,” highlighting the significant leaps in visual realism achieved over time.
The conversation explores the impact of special effects on the audience experience, acknowledging how realistic visual effects can enhance the immersion and emotional impact of a story.
They also discuss the potential for special effects to become overused or distracting, highlighting the importance of finding a balance between visual spectacle and storytelling.

12. The Importance of Having a Strong Support System:

Brendan Schaub discusses the importance of having a supportive partner, particularly in navigating the challenges of a demanding career like stand-up comedy.
He highlights how his wife has been a source of support and encouragement throughout his career, even when he has doubted himself.
The conversation explores the importance of having a strong support system outside of one’s professional life, particularly in helping individuals maintain perspective and stay motivated.
They also discuss the importance of self-belief and the need to push oneself beyond comfort zones in order to achieve goals.

13. The Changing Landscape of Television and Entertainment:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the shift from traditional television to podcasting and the growing popularity of online content.
They highlight the benefits of podcasting, including the freedom from censorship and control, the ability to create long-form content, and the ability to reach a global audience.
The conversation explores the potential for podcasting to disrupt traditional media and provide a platform for alternative voices and perspectives.
They also discuss the challenges of podcasting, including the need to generate revenue, the competitive landscape, and the importance of maintaining quality and engaging content.

14. The Importance of Embracing Failure and Constant Improvement:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the role of failure in personal growth and the importance of embracing setbacks as opportunities for learning and improvement.
They emphasize the need for self-reflection and the willingness to acknowledge weaknesses in order to make progress.
The conversation explores the importance of staying focused on personal growth and avoiding the trap of becoming fixated on external validation.
They also discuss the importance of having a positive mindset and a belief in one’s ability to succeed, even when facing adversity.

15. The Ethics of Letting Athletes Fight Beyond Their Prime:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the ethical considerations of allowing fighters to compete past their prime, particularly when they are no longer at the top of their game.
They discuss the potential for fighters like BJ Penn to tarnish their legacy by continuing to fight when they are clearly not at their best.
The conversation explores the role of the UFC in protecting fighters’ health and ensuring that they are not forced to compete when it is no longer safe or beneficial.
They also discuss the potential for fighters to make difficult decisions about retirement based on personal factors, including financial security and the desire to continue competing.

16. The Role of Social Media in Modern Society:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the impact of social media on society, particularly its potential for negativity and the spread of misinformation.
They discuss the challenges of navigating social media, particularly the pressure to maintain a certain image and the potential for online harassment.
The conversation explores the impact of social media on mental health, particularly among young people, highlighting the potential for increased anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts.
They also discuss the potential for social media to be a force for good, highlighting its ability to connect people, share information, and promote social change.

17. The Importance of Being Authentic and True to Oneself:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the importance of being authentic to oneself, particularly in the face of social pressures and expectations.
They emphasize the need to follow one’s own path and to avoid the temptation to conform to societal norms or to try to be someone one is not.
The conversation explores the importance of finding balance and pursuing passions that bring joy and fulfillment, regardless of external validation.
They also discuss the importance of self-acceptance and the need to embrace one’s unique qualities and perspectives.

18. The Allure and Dangers of the “Upside Down” World:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the growing acceptance of transgender identities and the broader social shifts taking place in society.
They acknowledge the importance of respecting individuals’ choices and identities, while also expressing concern about the potential for blurring of lines between biology and personal identity.
The conversation delves into the complexities of gender identity, recognizing the need for understanding and compassion while also raising concerns about the potential for overstepping boundaries.
They also discuss the potential for social progress to become distorted or manipulated for personal gain, highlighting the importance of maintaining critical thinking and a balanced perspective.

19. The Importance of Maintaining a Positive Perspective:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the importance of maintaining a positive outlook, particularly in the face of adversity and negativity.
They acknowledge that while it is important to recognize challenges and acknowledge failures, dwelling on negativity can be detrimental to mental health and well-being.
The conversation explores the power of positive thinking and the importance of focusing on personal growth and achievement, even when facing obstacles.
They also discuss the importance of finding sources of joy and fulfillment outside of professional pursuits, highlighting the importance of family, friends, and other passions.

20. The Enduring Appeal of Classic Heavyweight Fights:

Brendan Schaub and Joe Rogan discuss the enduring appeal of classic heavyweight fights, particularly those featuring iconic figures like Mike Tyson and Chuck Liddell.
They discuss how these fights capture the raw power and excitement of combat sports, offering a glimpse into the heart of human competition.
The conversation explores the importance of legacy and how fighters’ careers are shaped by their greatest moments, both victories and defeats.
They also discuss the importance of recognizing the human element in combat sports, acknowledging the vulnerability and emotional impact of fighting on athletes.

Memorable Quotes:

“I fucking hate everything I do. So there’s no there’s no getting around it. You’re gonna hate it. You hate hearing yourself. The editing is powerful, man. Oh. The worst. But you’ll get better. You just take some of the criticism to heart, understand what people are saying, for sure. Just fucking keep on keep it on. I’m I’m happy about it. I just III think I’m stressed out this week because last week I was doing publicity for, like, New York, like, hustling doing all that.” – Brendan Schaub highlights the often-grueling nature of creative work, acknowledging that even those who enjoy their craft can struggle with self-doubt and the pressure of public perception.
“You know who gives me stress when I look at the schedule? Russell Peters. Yeah. He he’s in, like, she’s all over the fucking place. He goes to Africa for, like, 6 weeks. Like, he’s all over You hear Michael Piss being almost and Rob in Africa? Mhmm. Did he really? Yeah. He’s doing a movie. The fuck was he doing a movie? He spent almost 19. I don’t know what it was. He’s doing a movie. He got a little liquored up. His cab dropped him off and said your your hotel’s over there. He get out of the cab. And he’s like, where the fuck is my hotel? The cab driver drives off. He’s like looking around for the hotel is He said, like, 10 dudes. Just start rolling up on them, saying, I want your wallet. You know, if you wanna live, you’ll give me your wallet now.” – Joe Rogan shares a humorous anecdote about Russell Peters’s experience in Africa, highlighting the unexpected adventures that can arise when traveling.
“I’ve been having terrible dreams. I need to get off of it or just figure out how to deal manage it better. But I was doing a a show on Sears with Jim Norton. And he brought in this the guy who basically created Mind Hunter. He was just like, he’s interviewed all the serial killers and speaks to him. Yeah. And they brought him in I think his name’s John Douglas. They brought him in. He’s just talking, it was fascinating. I was like, oh, shit. So he got his book. Almost finished his book. I’m like, this is great, man. And then started listening to podcasts he’s on. It’s just about, like, murder and death, and I started looking at all this Charles Manson stuff, and I’ve been having awful nightmares and been a little depressed. And you know what I mean? It’s very rare I’m down. It’s just a dark fucking world man.” – Brendan Schaub discusses the potential for true crime content to have a negative impact on mental well-being, acknowledging the dark side of human nature and the challenges of processing disturbing information.
“You know what bothers me is they don’t drive them. And I don’t drive them. For them, it’s investment, and then they flip in years from now. Because we want people that drive the cars. And now what Fry’s doing, like, if you wanna end though, you want a certain, like, limited run TDF for the pizza. If you want some of those real limited edition ones, they look at your history because you have to own, like, the past 10 Ferraris. Uh-huh. Yeah. They have a weird curriculum if you wanna get a special limited edition. But they now they check if you’ve driven it. If you’re just a collector, they don’t sell them to you anymore. Oh my god.” – Joe Rogan discusses the shift in the car collector market, where companies are now prioritizing drivers over collectors, highlighting the evolving nature of luxury markets and the changing values surrounding ownership.
“What I like so expensive. What I like about, like, custom cars is that they’re mechanical. Like, when I talk about, like, muscle cars or porsches or stuff like that, what I like is they’re they’re mechanical. Yeah. Like, they’re all stick shifts manual transmissions. You feel the gears and you feel the blur. I like that. I love that. Yeah. I’m that’s I mean to that for whatever reason. But I’m also into that fucking Tesla. That Tesla’s got me hooked. Yeah, for sure. The thing puts a smile on my face. I know you it really? Oh my god. More so than when your Porsche is? Nope. No. No. Not more so. No. It’s gonna walk you. Different smile. Different smile. Yeah. It’s like, wow. The future is weird.” – Brendan Schaub contrasts the different driving experiences offered by classic sports cars and electric vehicles, highlighting the unique appeal of each and the changing nature of automotive technology.