JRE #124 – Michael Schiavello (Part 2)

This podcast dives deep into the world of kickboxing with Michael Schiavello, a renowned commentator and expert on the sport. Joe Rogan and Schiavello discuss the history, techniques, and future of kickboxing, exploring both its popularity and decline. Provocative topics include the financial struggles of K-1, the effectiveness of Muay Thai, the evolution of mixed martial arts, and the influence of traditional martial arts on modern fighting. Underlying themes explore the allure of physical prowess, the complexities of martial arts training, the role of technology in sports, and the ongoing debate over performance enhancing drugs.

Joe Rogan Podcast Topics: #124 – Michael Schiavello (Part 2)

• The Decline of K-1 and the Future of Kickboxing:

  • K-1, once a major force in combat sports, is now facing financial difficulties, owing money to fighters and staff.
  • The decline is attributed to a decrease in popularity compared to MMA, as well as issues with promotional strategy.
  • Joe Rogan considers the potential for a resurgence, believing that kickboxing is a compelling sport with a dedicated fanbase.
  • The conversation explores whether K-1 could be a viable acquisition for the UFC, a prospect that Rogan discusses with Dana White.

• Muay Thai and its Effectiveness:

  • Muay Thai, Thailand’s national martial art, is lauded for its comprehensive striking techniques, including knees, elbows, clinching, and grappling.
  • Schiavello argues that Muay Thai is the most effective style for standup fighting, emphasizing its emphasis on power and economical movements.
  • The conversation highlights Muay Thai’s popularity in Thailand, with dedicated stadiums and a strong tradition of fighters starting young.
  • The podcast discusses the differences between traditional Muay Thai rules and the modified rules used in K-1, particularly the absence of elbows.

• The Influence of Traditional Martial Arts on MMA:

  • The discussion explores how techniques from various traditional martial arts, such as Taekwondo and Muay Thai, are finding their way into MMA.
  • The podcast highlights the effectiveness of certain techniques, like the Brazilian kick (question mark kick), and the importance of specialization in certain areas of martial arts.
  • The conversation touches on the evolution of striking in MMA, with fighters incorporating techniques from different styles to create a more complete arsenal.
  • Schiavello believes that the use of the Thai clinch, a key element of Muay Thai, will become more prevalent in MMA.

• The Importance of Discipline and Training:

  • The podcast emphasizes the value of discipline and rigorous training in traditional martial arts, highlighting the benefits of a structured environment.
  • Schiavello shares his personal experience with Taekwondo, noting how it instilled discipline and a higher level of self-awareness.
  • The conversation acknowledges the potential for abuse and exploitation within some traditional martial arts schools, urging caution and critical thinking.
  • The podcast encourages finding martial arts instructors who are genuine masters and not charlatans, emphasizing the importance of seeking out ethical teachers.

• The Dangers of Performance Enhancing Drugs:

  • The podcast explores the prevalence of performance enhancing drugs in combat sports, including steroids, growth hormone, and masking agents.
  • The conversation highlights the ethical and health risks associated with these substances, particularly the long-term damage they can cause.
  • Schiavello discusses the challenge of detecting these drugs and the need for more stringent testing, including blood tests.
  • The podcast examines the ongoing debate over testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), with particular attention to the case of Nate Marquardt and the stricter guidelines imposed by the Nevada Athletic Commission.

• The Future of Human Enhancement:

  • Schiavello predicts that the use of performance enhancing drugs will continue to evolve, with future advancements in genetics and biotechnology.
  • The conversation speculates on the potential for manipulating human genetics to enhance athletic performance and longevity.
  • The podcast raises questions about the ethical implications of such advancements, particularly the potential for widening the gap between elite athletes and the general population.
  • The conversation explores the societal implications of future technological advancements and the potential for creating a “welfare state” for those who can’t adapt to a more technologically advanced society.

• The Power of Belief and the Placebo Effect:

  • The podcast explores the power of belief systems and the placebo effect in influencing performance and outcomes.
  • Schiavello discusses the controversial use of “hologram bracelets” in combat sports, highlighting the potential for self-belief to influence results.
  • The conversation touches on the role of religion and positive thinking in manifesting desired outcomes, acknowledging the power of the mind.
  • The podcast emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and avoiding blind acceptance of claims without scientific evidence.

• Dating and the Human Experience:

  • The podcast features several anecdotes from Schiavello’s personal dating life, illustrating the wild and unpredictable nature of human interaction.
  • Schiavello recounts humorous and sometimes cringeworthy encounters with women, highlighting the challenges of navigating the dating scene.
  • The conversation touches on the importance of self-awareness and avoiding unnecessary conflict, particularly when encountering individuals with significant flaws.
  • The podcast explores the importance of surrounding oneself with positive influences and recognizing when relationships, both romantic and platonic, are no longer beneficial.

Memorable Quotes:

• “You’re in for sure, no one’s better at that K-1 shit. There’s no one better at at Moittite commentary than you, man. You’re impressive.” – Joe Rogan expresses his admiration for Michael Schiavello’s commentary skills.
• “You how the fuck do you not want the K-1 heavyweight grand prix? Has it ever been anything, fucking crazy?” – Joe Rogan passionately emphasizes the excitement and unpredictability of the K-1 heavyweight grand prix.
• “I’ve seen small ties to, you know, small ties doing seminars in Australia and and and watching them trade throw around big guys. You know, you see like a 55 kilogram tie, throwing around throwing around to go otherwise, 85, 90 kilos. Just ragdolling it.” – Michael Schiavello describes the impressive strength and power of Muay Thai fighters.
• “It’s like hitting him with a giant rock that weighs 300 pounds. There’s 2 of you flying through the air you know, and you’re you’re slamming into this earth.” – Joe Rogan vividly describes the impact of a judo throw.
• “People want to believe bullshit is my point.” – Joe Rogan expresses his skepticism about the effectiveness of “hologram bracelets” and other pseudoscientific products.