31-Dec-21
Joe Rogan Experience #1757 – Dr. Robert Malone, MD
This Joe Rogan Experience podcast features Dr. Robert Malone, a prominent figure in the mRNA vaccine landscape who has become a controversial voice regarding the COVID-19 pandemic. The conversation delves into deep technical details about mRNA vaccines, viral immunology, and the complexities of pandemic response. Provocative topics include claims of data manipulation, government interference, censorship, and the potential risks associated with mRNA vaccines. Underlying themes explore the scientific process, ethical dilemmas, the role of media and government in public health, and the broader societal implications of a global pandemic.
1. Dr. Robert Malone’s Background and Expertise:
- Dr. Malone shares his personal and professional journey, emphasizing his extensive experience in vaccinology and clinical research.
- He highlights his key role in the development of mRNA vaccine technology, including the filing of nine original mRNA vaccine patents in 1989.
- He details his involvement in various outbreaks, including AIDS and Ebola, showcasing his long-standing engagement in pandemic response.
- Dr. Malone emphasizes his dedication to informed consent and the importance of open scientific discourse.
2. Censorship and Free Speech:
- Dr. Malone’s deplatforming from Twitter and LinkedIn sparks discussion about censorship and the suppression of dissenting voices regarding COVID-19.
- He argues that his expertise and scientific evidence should not be silenced, even if they challenge prevailing narratives.
- The podcast highlights the role of social media platforms in shaping public discourse and the potential for biased censorship.
- The conversation raises concerns about the erosion of free speech and the potential for political manipulation of information dissemination.
3. The Role of Natural Immunity:
- Dr. Malone presents compelling evidence from studies, including a large study from Israel, suggesting that natural immunity from prior COVID-19 infection provides superior protection compared to vaccine-induced immunity.
- He criticizes the CDC’s attempts to downplay the importance of natural immunity, highlighting a smaller, less rigorous study conducted by the CDC itself.
- The discussion emphasizes the potential risks associated with vaccinating individuals who have recovered from COVID-19, including an increased risk of adverse events.
- Dr. Malone emphasizes the need for greater transparency and scientific rigor in evaluating the effectiveness and safety of vaccines in the context of natural immunity.
4. Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine:
- Dr. Malone discusses the controversy surrounding the use of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 treatment, particularly their suppression by government agencies and pharmaceutical companies.
- He argues that there is evidence suggesting the effectiveness of these drugs, particularly in early treatment, and criticizes the government’s efforts to block access to these potentially life-saving treatments.
- He highlights the financial incentives for hospitals to treat COVID-19 patients, suggesting a potential conflict of interest in the suppression of early treatment options.
- Dr. Malone raises serious concerns about the potential for intentional suppression of information and the manipulation of scientific data to favor certain treatment approaches.
5. The Trusted News Initiative:
- Dr. Malone reveals the existence of the Trusted News Initiative, a collaboration between Big Tech, Big Media, and government agencies, aimed at controlling the narrative surrounding COVID-19 and vaccines.
- He argues that the initiative is designed to suppress information that challenges the official narrative, effectively silencing dissenting voices and promoting a one-sided view of the pandemic.
- The discussion highlights the dangers of centralized control over information flow and the potential for propaganda to shape public opinion.
- Dr. Malone calls for greater transparency and accountability in media and government institutions, emphasizing the importance of independent fact-checking and diverse perspectives.
6. The “Hunting” of Physicians:
- Dr. Malone describes the targeted attacks on physicians who promote early treatment options or question official narratives regarding COVID-19, including threats to their medical licenses and financial ruin.
- He shares his personal experience of receiving a complaint from a hospital administrator in Maui, aimed at revoking his medical license for speaking out about COVID-19.
- Dr. Malone highlights the potential for financial incentives for hospitals to suppress early treatment options, suggesting a conflict of interest in their attempts to silence physicians.
- The discussion raises concerns about the weaponization of medical licensing boards and the suppression of scientific debate in the medical community.
7. Myocarditis and Other Vaccine-Related Adverse Events:
- Dr. Malone presents data showing a high incidence of myocarditis, particularly in boys, following vaccination with mRNA vaccines, and discusses the potential for underreporting in adult populations.
- He highlights the potential risks of these adverse events, including the possibility of long-term consequences and even death, and criticizes the downplaying of these risks by health authorities.
- Dr. Malone raises concerns about the potential for other, less well-documented adverse events, including menstrual irregularities and the reactivation of latent viruses.
- He emphasizes the need for more comprehensive and long-term studies to fully understand the risks and benefits of mRNA vaccines, particularly for children.
8. The Role of the Spike Protein:
- Dr. Malone dives deep into the complex biology of the spike protein, explaining how it interacts with cells and the potential for it to cause toxicity.
- He argues that the spike protein, whether from the virus or the vaccine, may be responsible for many of the observed adverse events, including myocarditis, brain fog, and blood clotting.
- Dr. Malone highlights the lack of comprehensive safety testing for the engineered spike protein used in vaccines, raising concerns about potential unknown risks.
- He emphasizes the importance of further research to understand the long-term effects of spike protein exposure on human health.
9. The Potential for Vaccine-Enhanced Disease (ADE):
- Dr. Malone explores the possibility of vaccine-enhanced disease (ADE), a phenomenon where vaccination may actually increase susceptibility to infection or worsen the severity of disease.
- He discusses data suggesting a negative efficacy of the vaccines against Omicron, particularly in individuals who have received multiple doses.
- Dr. Malone highlights the importance of addressing ADE as a known risk in vaccine development, particularly in light of the FDA’s failure to adequately investigate this possibility.
- He emphasizes the need for ongoing research and vigilance in monitoring the potential for ADE as new variants emerge.
10. The Mismatch of Vaccines and Variants:
- Dr. Malone discusses the challenge of vaccine efficacy against emerging variants like Omicron, highlighting the concept of vaccine escape variants that can evade the immune response generated by existing vaccines.
- He criticizes the push for booster shots, arguing that they may actually be counterproductive, particularly due to the potential for original antigenic sin, where prior exposure to related antigens can skew the immune response.
- Dr. Malone emphasizes the importance of understanding the long-term effects of repeated vaccination and the potential for immune system dysregulation.
- He calls for a more cautious approach to vaccine deployment, particularly in light of the emergence of new variants and the complexities of viral evolution.
11. Mass Formation Psychosis:
- Dr. Malone introduces the concept of mass formation psychosis, a psychological phenomenon where a large group of people become hypnotized and susceptible to manipulation by charismatic leaders.
- He suggests that this phenomenon may be playing a role in the polarized and often irrational responses to the COVID-19 pandemic.
- Dr. Malone highlights the role of social media, isolation, and societal anxieties in fostering mass formation psychosis.
- He emphasizes the importance of rebuilding social bonds, fostering critical thinking, and resisting the manipulation of information as key to overcoming mass formation psychosis.
12. The Future of Public Health and the Social Credit System:
- Dr. Malone expresses deep concern about the long-term consequences of the pandemic, including the erosion of trust in science, medicine, and government institutions.
- He warns against the potential for the establishment of social credit systems, where individuals’ access to resources and opportunities may be contingent on their compliance with government policies.
- Dr. Malone emphasizes the importance of defending personal liberty, informed consent, and the right to make independent choices about one’s health.
- He calls for a return to basic ethical principles and a renewed focus on individual autonomy and freedom.
13. The Impact on Children:
- Dr. Malone highlights the unique risks and vulnerabilities of children with regard to COVID-19 and vaccines, particularly the potential for myocarditis and other serious adverse events.
- He expresses deep concern about the psychological and developmental damage inflicted on children by lockdowns, mask mandates, and the polarization surrounding vaccines.
- Dr. Malone warns against the dangers of mandatory vaccination for children, emphasizing the importance of informed consent and parental rights.
- He advocates for a more cautious and evidence-based approach to protecting children, focusing on natural immunity and avoiding unnecessary interventions.
14. The Importance of Open Discourse:
- Dr. Malone reiterates the crucial role of open and honest scientific discourse in addressing public health challenges.
- He emphasizes the dangers of censorship and the suppression of dissenting voices, arguing that they hinder the advancement of knowledge and understanding.
- Dr. Malone calls for a more transparent and accountable scientific process, emphasizing the importance of peer review, data integrity, and the free exchange of ideas.
- He encourages individuals to be critical thinkers and to seek out diverse perspectives, questioning authority and challenging prevailing narratives.
15. The Defeat the Mandates Rally:
- Dr. Malone promotes the upcoming Defeat the Mandates rally, scheduled for January 23rd, 2022, in Washington D.C.
- He emphasizes that the rally is not about being “anti-vaccine” but rather about defending personal liberty and the right to make informed choices about one’s health.
- Dr. Malone encourages people to join the rally as a way of resisting government overreach, defending medical freedom, and promoting open discourse on COVID-19.
- He highlights the importance of coming together across political and social divides to stand for individual rights and freedom.
5 Memorable Quotes:
- “I think I’m the only one that doesn’t have a financial stake in this. So for me, the reason is because what’s happening is not right. It’s destroying my profession. It’s destroying the practice of medicine worldwide. It’s destroying public health and medicine.”
- “I like to talk about the metaphor as a father. You give a three-year-old a hammer and everything becomes a nail.”
- “We’re in an environment in which truth and consequences are fungible. They this is modern media management and warfare. The truth is what the those that are managing the trusted news initiative say it is.”
- “It is insanely dangerous to speak truth to power right now.”
- “I think the only thing that helps us here is that this may be the one subject where everyone loses. People on the left, people on the right, people in the center, everyone loses if they impart a social credit system.”