JRE #1870 – Max Lugavere

14-Sep-22






Joe Rogan Podcast Topics: #1870 – Max Lugavere

This podcast features Max Lugavere, a wellness journalist, filmmaker, author, and host of the “The Genius Life” podcast. He discusses his new book, “The Genius Kitchen,” and his passion for dementia prevention, a topic he became deeply invested in after his mother’s diagnosis with Louis body dementia. The conversation delves into the science behind dementia, debunking myths and highlighting the importance of lifestyle factors. The episode also tackles controversial topics like the debunked amyloid hypothesis, the dangers of processed foods and seed oils, and the impact of the “hygiene theater” on gut health. Lugavere emphasizes the importance of a balanced diet with quality animal products, whole foods, and the benefits of saunas and cold plunges. Underlying themes include the power of scientific literacy, the need to question authority, and the importance of prioritizing personal health in a world filled with misleading information.

Podcast Topics:

  1. Max Lugavere’s Journey into Dementia Prevention

    • Lugavere’s personal experience with his mother’s Louis body dementia diagnosis ignited his passion for dementia prevention.
    • He shifted his career from journalism to filmmaking, creating documentaries like “Little Empty Boxes” to raise awareness and challenge the prevailing narrative surrounding dementia.
    • His documentary explores dementia as a potentially preventable condition, emphasizing the role of lifestyle factors in cognitive health.
    • Lugavere became a study subject at Weill Cornell Medical College and collaborated with researchers, delving deep into the science of dementia prevention.
  2. The Debunked Amyloid Hypothesis: A History of Fraud in Alzheimer’s Research

    • The amyloid hypothesis, which has dominated Alzheimer’s research for decades, focuses on amyloid plaques as the primary cause of the disease.
    • However, scientists have struggled to link the presence of amyloid plaques to cognitive decline, with drug trials consistently failing to show efficacy.
    • A seminal paper published in Nature in 2006, which claimed to identify a subtype of amyloid beta protein responsible for cognitive decline, was later revealed to be fraudulent.
    • This revelation has led to a reevaluation of the amyloid hypothesis and raised concerns about the impact of fraudulent research on the field.
  3. Dementia as a Potentially Preventable Condition

    • Lugavere argues that dementia is not an inevitable consequence of aging, emphasizing the importance of modifiable risk factors.
    • He outlines 12 modifiable risk factors, including diabetes, obesity, lack of exercise, high blood pressure, and exposure to pollutants.
    • He discusses the role of insulin resistance in cognitive decline and emphasizes the importance of maintaining insulin sensitivity through diet and exercise.
    • Lugavere advocates for a holistic approach to dementia prevention, incorporating healthy lifestyle choices, dietary interventions, and preventative measures.
  4. The Dangers of Industrialized Seed Oils

    • Lugavere expresses his concerns about the widespread use of industrialized seed oils like corn oil, canola oil, and soybean oil.
    • He argues that these oils are highly processed and prone to oxidation, potentially leading to chronic inflammation and contributing to various health problems, including cognitive decline.
    • He highlights the presence of trans fats and toxic aldehydes produced during the refining process and emphasizes the importance of consuming oils like extra virgin olive oil that are less processed and more stable.
    • Lugavere advocates for a precautionary principle approach, urging people to be cautious about consuming foods and products that have been introduced relatively recently and whose long-term health effects are still being studied.
  5. The Importance of Quality Animal Products

    • Lugavere strongly advocates for the inclusion of quality animal products in a healthy diet, emphasizing their nutritional density and bioavailability.
    • He highlights the benefits of grass-fed, grass-finished beef, eggs, and full-fat dairy, noting their rich sources of essential nutrients like protein, choline, vitamin B12, and CLA.
    • He emphasizes the difference between grass-fed and grain-fed animals, highlighting the nutritional superiority of animals raised on their natural diets.
    • He critiques the “factory farm system” while acknowledging that even commercially raised animal products can be healthier choices than highly processed foods.
  6. The Impact of “Hygiene Theater” on Gut Health

    • Lugavere discusses the “hygiene theater” phenomenon, where excessive focus on sanitization and cleanliness can negatively impact gut health.
    • He suggests that over-reliance on antibacterial products can disrupt the natural microbiome, potentially leading to a decrease in gut resilience and an increase in susceptibility to various health problems.
    • He emphasizes the importance of a balanced microbiome for optimal health and suggests that promoting a healthy gut through diet and lifestyle choices is crucial.
    • Lugavere encourages listeners to reconsider their approach to hygiene, promoting a more balanced approach that fosters a healthy microbiome.
  7. The Importance of Saunas and Cold Plunges

    • Lugavere discusses the health benefits of saunas, highlighting research showing a significant reduction in dementia risk with frequent sauna use.
    • He describes the physiological effects of sauna use, including increased blood flow, reduced inflammation, and the mimicking of aerobic exercise.
    • He emphasizes the importance of sauna temperature and duration, recommending 5 to 14 minutes at 80 to 99 degrees Celsius for optimal benefits.
    • Lugavere also discusses the benefits of cold plunges, noting their role in enhancing recovery and boosting overall well-being.
  8. The Detrimental Effects of Antiseptic Mouthwash

    • Lugavere raises concerns about the frequent use of antiseptic mouthwash, particularly after exercise, citing research suggesting it can significantly diminish the blood pressure lowering effects of exercise.
    • He explains the role of oral bacteria in converting nitrates from foods like beets and leafy greens into nitrite, a precursor to nitric oxide, which helps reduce blood pressure.
    • Antiseptic mouthwash, by killing off these bacteria, disrupts this pathway, potentially negating the cardiovascular benefits of exercise.
    • Lugavere recommends avoiding frequent use of antiseptic mouthwash and exploring alternatives like xylitol-based mouthwashes or simply maintaining good oral hygiene through regular brushing and flossing.
  9. The Importance of Dietary Fiber

    • Lugavere discusses the importance of dietary fiber for gut health and overall well-being, noting its role in promoting satiety and supporting a healthy microbiome.
    • He emphasizes that fiber intake should be gradually increased to allow the microbiome time to adapt, avoiding sudden changes that can lead to digestive discomfort.
    • Lugavere addresses the concept of “plant defense chemicals,” noting that while some individuals may experience negative reactions to these compounds, it often reflects gut dysbiosis rather than inherent toxicity.
    • He emphasizes the importance of building gut resilience through diet and lifestyle choices, allowing the body to benefit from the potentially beneficial effects of these compounds.
  10. The “Food Compass”: A Criqued Nutrient Profiling System

    • Lugavere critiques the “Food Compass” nutrient profiling system developed by Tufts University, arguing that it fails to adequately penalize ultra-processed foods and underweights the importance of protein.
    • He highlights the system’s contradictory rankings, placing ultra-processed foods like Honey Nut Cheerios in the “green” category while minimizing nutrient-dense foods like ground beef and boiled eggs.
    • Lugavere suggests that the system may be biased towards promoting ultra-processed foods, given the significant financial interests involved in the food industry.
    • He encourages listeners to question such systems and prioritize whole foods and minimally processed options for optimal health.
  11. The Importance of Scientific Literacy and Questioning Authority

    • Lugavere stresses the importance of scientific literacy, encouraging listeners to critically evaluate information and question established narratives.
    • He acknowledges the presence of biases and conflicts of interest in the scientific community, emphasizing the need to consider multiple perspectives and avoid blind acceptance of authority.
    • Lugavere advocates for personal research and a willingness to challenge assumptions and beliefs, encouraging a more informed and empowered approach to health.
    • He suggests that relying solely on “the science” can be misleading, as scientific knowledge is constantly evolving and subject to interpretation and bias.
  12. The Importance of Prioritizing Personal Health

    • Lugavere emphasizes the importance of prioritizing personal health in a world filled with contradictory and often misleading information.
    • He encourages listeners to focus on making informed choices that benefit their own well-being, rather than trying to sustain the entire world or adhering to rigid dietary ideologies.
    • He suggests that a focus on personal health and well-being can be a powerful force for positive change, influencing others and contributing to a healthier society.
    • Lugavere emphasizes the need for individual agency and responsibility in navigating the complex world of health and nutrition.
  13. The Nutritional Benefits of Coffee and Heavy Cream

    • Lugavere discusses the benefits of coffee, particularly when consumed with full-fat heavy cream.
    • He notes that heavy cream enhances the bioavailability of fat-soluble polyphenols in coffee, making them more readily absorbed by the body.
    • He also emphasizes the nutritional value of full-fat heavy cream, a rich source of healthy fats and essential nutrients.
    • Lugavere encourages listeners to reconsider their perception of coffee and heavy cream, recognizing their potential benefits for overall health.
  14. The Impact of Ultra-Processed Foods on Health and the Environment

    • Lugavere discusses the detrimental effects of ultra-processed foods, highlighting their role in driving overconsumption due to their hyperpalatability and hyposatiety.
    • He emphasizes the lack of protein, fiber, and water content in these foods, contributing to poor satiety and potentially leading to weight gain and other health problems.
    • Lugavere also touches on the environmental impact of ultra-processed foods, noting their high carbon footprint and the unsustainable practices often employed in their production.
    • He encourages listeners to reduce their consumption of ultra-processed foods and prioritize whole foods for both personal health and environmental sustainability.
  15. The Concerns Surrounding Plant-Based Meat Alternatives

    • Lugavere expresses concerns about the growing popularity of plant-based meat alternatives, referring to them as “human pet food” due to their highly processed nature and questionable nutritional value.
    • He highlights studies showing potential health risks associated with these products, including liver damage in rats, and the presence of genetically modified ingredients and glyphosate residues.
    • Lugavere emphasizes that plant-based meat alternatives are not nutritionally equivalent to real meat and may pose potential risks to health.
    • He suggests that if individuals are looking to consume vegetables, they should simply eat vegetables rather than relying on processed substitutes.

5 Memorable Quotes:

  • “The brain has long been thought of to sit in sort of the ivory tower of the brain guarded from what happens down below by what’s called the blood brain barrier. But we now know that the brain is influenced by everything that happens down below.”
  • “Genes load the gun. It’s our diets and our lifestyles that pull the trigger.”
  • “I like to say that my approach is evidence based, but not evidence bound.”
  • “I think that the the argument for veganism, like, falls short is that if you’re partaking in in modern society, if you’re shopping in a modern supermarket, there’s blood on your hands.”
  • “The problem with following the science is that the science follows the money.”