JRE #732 - Whitney Cummings

12/8/2015

Joe Rogan Podcast #732 – Whitney Cummings

This podcast features a candid conversation between Joe Rogan and comedian Whitney Cummings, diving into topics ranging from personal experiences to societal observations. The conversation reveals Cummings’s vulnerability, ambition, and unique perspective on relationships, success, and the challenges of navigating Hollywood as a strong, independent woman.

1. Whitney Cummings’s Early Days at the Comedy Store:

Cummings recounts how Joe Rogan was a mythical figure in the comedy world when she started her career.
She admired him from afar, but their paths didn’t cross until later.
Cummings discusses how initial perceptions of someone can shape your relationship with them.
This topic delves into the power of projecting our own insecurities onto others.

2. Insecurities and Blowbaiting:

Cummings talks about the challenges of dealing with fans who approach her with pre-conceived notions about her.
She feels pressure to live up to expectations and worries she can’t deliver what they’re looking for.
Cummings coined the term “blowbaiting,” describing fans who try to get a reaction from her.
This topic explores the delicate balance between celebrity and authenticity.

3. The Staircase: A Documentary Dive:

Rogan and Cummings discuss the 12-part documentary, The Staircase, which explores a controversial murder trial.
They debate whether the viewer’s perception of guilt or innocence reflects more about the viewer than the case itself.
The topic explores the psychology of true crime fascination and the power of projection in interpreting evidence.
Cummings mentions how The Staircase inspired her to question her own creative abilities.

4. Hustle and Workaholism:

Cummings attributes her relentless work ethic to her upbringing and her athletic background.
She reveals her struggle with workaholism, recognizing it as a form of addiction that fuels her self-esteem.
Cummings describes her active pursuit of self-awareness and recovery through therapy and mindfulness.
This topic explores the complexities of ambition and the pursuit of success.

5. The Age of Crazy:

Cummings discusses the double standard surrounding women and craziness, particularly as they age.
She argues that women are often labeled “crazy” for being assertive or ambitious, while men are praised for those same qualities.
The topic delves into the societal pressures on women to conform to traditional gender roles.
Cummings emphasizes the importance of self-respect and refusing to be defined by these limiting labels.

6. The Alpha Woman and Male Intimidation:

Cummings shares her experience of hiding her expensive car from potential dates, fearing it would intimidate them.
She discusses how her “alpha” personality attracts men who are intimidated by her success and independence.
This topic delves into the complexities of dating dynamics and the challenges of finding partners who appreciate strong women.
Cummings reveals how her financial success has shifted some men’s behavior toward her.

7. Money and Power Dynamics:

Cummings addresses the theory that men are attracted to women who inherit money but are less attracted to women who earn their own.
She discusses how money can change the power dynamics in a relationship and create complex emotional baggage.
The topic explores the relationship between wealth, power, and gender roles.
Cummings shares her personal experiences with financial manipulation and the importance of setting boundaries.

8. Sexual Domination and Power Play:

Cummings reveals that since she’s become successful, she’s experienced a shift in the way some men interact with her sexually.
She discusses incidents of unwanted sexual aggression, including being choked and having her head pushed down.
This topic explores the ways in which power dynamics and financial success can influence sexual behavior.
Cummings emphasizes the importance of recognizing and rejecting these harmful patterns.

9. The Limits of “Normal”:

Cummings talks about the confusion she experiences navigating sexuality and relationships after dating men with unconventional sexual preferences.
She shares an embarrassing encounter where a date was repulsed by her attempts to engage in a playful, dominant role.
This topic delves into the subjectivity of what is considered “normal” in sexual behavior and the importance of communication.
Cummings expresses her desire to find a partner who can appreciate her as she is, a strong, independent woman.

10. The “You’re a Lot” Insult:

Cummings describes a particularly hurtful insult she received from a former partner: “You’re a lot.”
She reveals that this vague insult tapped into her deep-seated insecurity of being “too much” for men.
The topic explores the ways in which hurtful comments can reinforce existing insecurities.
Cummings discusses the societal expectations on women to be passive and agreeable.

11. The Importance of Being “Good”:

Cummings shares her desire to be “good” at her craft, prioritizing quality over fame.
She discusses the importance of constantly evolving and refining her comedic voice.
The topic explores the complexities of artistic ambition and the pursuit of excellence.
Cummings reveals that she takes breaks after each special to avoid repeating herself and becoming stale.

12. Stand Up Comedy: A Sport:

Cummings views stand up comedy as a sport, requiring physical and mental stamina.
She likens it to boxing and sex, emphasizing the immediacy and responsiveness required.
The topic explores the unique demands and challenges of stand up comedy, including the importance of audience engagement and improvisation.
Cummings discusses how hecklers can disrupt the hypnotic flow of a performance.

13. The Shame of Preparation:

Cummings reveals that she feels shame about her rigorous preparation process for stand up comedy.
She believes that there’s a societal expectation in comedy to appear effortless and unscripted.
The topic delves into the complexities of self-doubt and the pressure to conform to perceived norms.
Cummings champions the importance of preparation and dedication in achieving excellence.

14. The Nature of Intelligence:

Cummings challenges the notion that intelligence is solely about accumulating knowledge.
She distinguishes between being articulate and being truly insightful.
The topic explores the multifaceted nature of intelligence and the importance of intuition and creativity.
Cummings acknowledges her own strengths and weaknesses, recognizing the value of different types of intelligence.

15. The Power of Adversity:

Cummings discusses her unusual perspective on adversity, viewing it as a tool for growth and resilience.
She credits her athletic background and upbringing for fostering this mindset.
This topic explores the transformative potential of challenges and the importance of embracing discomfort.
Cummings shares a story about being hazed at the Comedy Store, ultimately viewing it as a positive experience that made her tougher.

16. The Importance of Being Present:

Cummings reveals her struggle with being present in the moment, a challenge she attributes to her childhood trauma.
She discusses her meditation practice and her exploration of John Bowlby’s attachment theory.
This topic delves into the complexities of healing from childhood trauma and cultivating mindfulness.
Cummings highlights the role of hypervigilance and the constant expectation of danger.

17. The “Stoned Ape” Theory:

Rogan and Cummings discuss Terence McKenna’s “stoned ape” theory, which posits that psilocybin mushrooms played a significant role in human brain evolution.
The theory suggests that psilocybin’s effects, including enhanced visual acuity, creativity, and social bonding, may have contributed to the development of human intelligence and communication.
This topic explores the potential role of psychedelics in human evolution and the fascinating intersection of science, anthropology, and consciousness.
Cummings shares her own experiences with psychedelics and the importance of letting go.

18. The Hidden Power of Women:

Cummings discusses a conversation with a neuroanthropologist about the potential for humans to have inherent matriarchal traits.
They explore the differences between patriarchal and matriarchal societies, using animal examples like lions, hyenas, and bonobo apes.
The topic delves into the complexities of gender roles, power dynamics, and human evolution.
Cummings argues that women are often criticized for their natural strengths and inclinations, such as organizing and nurturing.

19. Feminism and Identity:

Cummings shares her skepticism about the current state of feminism, critiquing what she sees as a focus on superiority over equality.
She discusses the detrimental effects of radical feminism on achieving genuine equality.
The topic explores the complexities of feminism, navigating the challenges of intersectionality and differing perspectives.
Cummings emphasizes the importance of self-reflection and avoiding the pitfalls of generalization and judgment.

20. The Evolution of Relationships:

Cummings shares her insights on dating dynamics and the challenges of finding compatible partners.
She discusses the importance of finding an equal, someone who respects her ambition and strength.
The topic explores the complexities of navigating relationships in a society with evolving gender roles and expectations.
Cummings acknowledges her own patterns and struggles in relationships, emphasizing the ongoing journey of self-discovery and growth.

21. The Importance of Self-Care:

Cummings highlights the importance of self-care, particularly for those who work demanding jobs and have families.
She discusses the challenges of prioritizing self-care amidst a busy schedule and societal pressures.
This topic explores the essential connection between mental and physical health.
Cummings encourages listeners to embrace self-care as a necessary investment in their well-being.

22. Crying as a Strength:

Cummings discusses her reluctance to cry, a behavior she attributes to a learned belief that crying is a weakness.
She explores the idea that crying is a natural and healthy release of emotion.
The topic delves into the societal pressures on women to suppress their emotions and the importance of emotional expression.
Cummings recognizes crying as a potential source of power and creative energy.

23. The Power of “Being a Lot”:

Cummings reframes the “You’re a lot” insult as a compliment, acknowledging the abundance of energy, passion, and complexity within her.
She discusses how this “horsepower” can be channeled into achieving great things.
The topic explores the challenges of managing intense emotions and the importance of harnessing them for positive outcomes.
Cummings highlights the importance of self-acceptance and embracing one’s unique qualities.

24. The Crutch of Addiction:

Cummings reflects on her struggle with workaholism and the role addiction played in her early career.
She discusses the societal tendency to romanticize and glorify addiction.
The topic explores the complexities of addiction and the importance of seeking healthy coping mechanisms.
Cummings emphasizes the dangers of replacing one addiction with another and the importance of true healing.

25. The Power of Vulnerability:

Cummings opens up about her fear of becoming invisible and the role insecurity plays in her drive to succeed.
She discusses her unique approach to stand up comedy, embracing vulnerability and sharing her personal experiences.
This topic explores the power of vulnerability and the importance of authenticity in connection.
Cummings demonstrates the courage it takes to confront one’s own insecurities and share them with the world.

26. The Importance of Change:

Cummings discusses the importance of changing one’s environment and routine to stimulate creativity.
She shares her personal methods for sparking new ideas, including rearranging furniture, traveling to new places, and experimenting with sensory stimulation.
This topic explores the importance of stepping outside of one’s comfort zone to foster growth and innovation.
Cummings emphasizes the power of intentional change to challenge mental rigidity and break free from habits.

27. The Subservient Asian Woman Cliche:

Cummings discusses the harmful stereotype of the subservient Asian woman in Hollywood and the impact it has on relationships.
She shares her own experiences and observations about this cliche.
The topic explores the complexities of race, gender, and power dynamics in Hollywood.
Cummings highlights the importance of challenging harmful stereotypes and promoting genuine respect and equality.

28. The Fluidity of Gender:

Cummings discusses the growing acceptance of gender fluidity and its impact on relationships.
She shares insights into the complexities of sexuality and the importance of open communication.
The topic explores the evolving nature of gender identity and the need for compassion and understanding.
Cummings acknowledges the diverse spectrum of human experiences and encourages listeners to approach relationships with openness and acceptance.

29. The Power of Dopamine:

Cummings discusses the role of dopamine in addiction and the ways in which it can be triggered by both positive and negative experiences.
She shares her own experiences with food addiction and the challenges of managing dopamine cravings.
The topic delves into the complexities of addiction and the importance of recognizing and addressing underlying causes.
Cummings emphasizes the need for healthy coping mechanisms and strategies for managing dopamine release.

30. The Importance of Alone Time:

Cummings discusses the value of alone time for reflection, creativity, and mental well-being.
She shares her struggles with perfectionism and procrastination and how they can be exacerbated by excessive social interaction.
The topic explores the importance of setting boundaries and prioritizing personal space.
Cummings encourages listeners to recognize the importance of solitude for personal growth and creativity.

31. The Future of Comedy:

Cummings reflects on the challenges and complexities of stand up comedy, particularly the process of creating and filming a special.
She discusses the importance of authenticity, surprise, and audience engagement.
The topic explores the ever-evolving nature of comedy and the unique demands of the craft.
Cummings highlights the importance of embracing the unexpected and finding ways to create a truly present and engaging performance.

5 Memorable Quotes:

“When you’re sober, you’re hard to read.”
“It becomes, like, my projections onto you, and my insecurities, like, if I see you and you don’t give me what I need to feel secure. I’m like, he hates he doesn’t like me.”
“Being asleep and unconscious and just being a disaster is just not cute anymore?”
“I’ve noticed that ever since I started making money, Guys sexually want to dominate me, choke me — Woah. — spit on me. Spit on me.”
“I think that when you’re when you’re on, like, everything’s going great, The audience is laughing really loud. You know, it’s like you’re everyone’s tuned in. I feel like it’s a form of hypnosis.”

JRE #732 – Whitney Cummings