JRE #782 - Rick Doblin

4/7/2016

This podcast explores the work of Rick Doblin, Ph.D., founder and executive director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), delving into the organization’s research on MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD and their efforts to advocate for the legalization of psychedelics. Provocative topics include the historical and cultural context of psychedelics, the scientific evidence for their therapeutic benefits, and the ongoing challenges posed by prohibition and societal stigma.

Underlying themes explore the complexities of human consciousness, the potential of psychedelic experiences for personal growth and healing, and the need for a more nuanced and compassionate approach to drug policy.

1. MAPS and the Importance of Scientific Rigor:

MAPS distinguishes itself from the “wacky” fringes of the psychedelic movement by focusing on rigorous scientific research and peer-reviewed studies, building a strong foundation for credibility and acceptance.
The podcast highlights MAPS’ commitment to scientific data, emphasizing the need for controlled studies to demonstrate the efficacy and safety of psychedelic treatments.
Doblin emphasizes the importance of double-blind, placebo-controlled trials, acknowledging the inherent challenges of conducting such studies with psychedelic substances.
MAPS has played a pivotal role in shifting the public perception of psychedelics from “loser drugs” to potentially transformative healing tools.

2. MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy for PTSD:

MAPS has been conducting extensive Phase 2 research on MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD, demonstrating significant improvement in symptoms for a substantial percentage of participants.
The podcast discusses the rigorous methodology employed in these studies, including the use of independent raters and the development of a dose-response relationship to address the challenge of double-blind trials with psychedelics.
The podcast explores the therapeutic mechanisms of MDMA, highlighting its ability to reduce fear responses, facilitate emotional processing, and enhance memory recall of traumatic experiences, leading to potential for profound healing.
MAPS is seeking FDA approval for MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD, a crucial step towards widespread availability and insurance coverage for this innovative treatment.

3. The Drug War and its Impact on Psychedelic Research:

The podcast delves into the history of the drug war, highlighting its political origins and its detrimental impact on research and access to potentially beneficial substances.
Doblin cites Eric Lichtman’s controversial assertion that the drug war was a deliberate political strategy to target specific groups deemed problematic by Richard Nixon.
The podcast discusses the pervasive stigma associated with psychedelics, the mischaracterization of various substances as “drugs,” and the limitations imposed by legal classifications.
Doblin argues for a more nuanced approach to drug policy, emphasizing the need to consider the potential benefits of various substances, including performance-enhancing effects, and to move beyond blanket condemnations.

4. The Importance of Context and Integration:

The podcast emphasizes the significance of context in psychedelic experiences, arguing that the environment, mindset, and intentionality of the participant play a crucial role in shaping the outcome.
Doblin highlights the importance of integrating psychedelic experiences into daily life, emphasizing the need for reflection, processing, and integration work to maximize the benefits.
The podcast explores the concept of “ego dissolving” and “ego clarifying” experiences, suggesting that psychedelics can facilitate self-acceptance and provide a fresh perspective on personal identity.
Doblin advocates for the development of psychedelic treatment centers, similar to hospice centers, to provide a safe and supportive environment for those seeking healing and exploration.

5. The Role of Psychedelics in Cultural Change:

Doblin argues for the potential of psychedelics to foster cultural change, emphasizing their capacity to promote empathy, connection, and self-acceptance, contributing to a more compassionate and understanding society.
The podcast explores the historical and cultural significance of psychedelics, drawing parallels between indigenous rituals and modern therapeutic applications.
Doblin posits that psychedelics can facilitate a shift in consciousness, potentially leading to a more harmonious and sustainable relationship with oneself, others, and the environment.
The podcast examines the ongoing debate surrounding cultural appropriation, highlighting the need for respectful integration of traditional practices while acknowledging the potential for exploitation and commodification.

6. The Future of Psychedelics:

Doblin expresses optimism about the future of psychedelics, highlighting the growing acceptance of their therapeutic potential and the increasing momentum behind legalization efforts.
The podcast discusses the role of MAPS in advocating for the approval of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD and the potential for similar breakthroughs with other psychedelic substances.
Doblin believes that medicalization will precede legalization, creating a pathway for public acceptance and insurance coverage of psychedelic treatments.
The podcast emphasizes the need for continued research, advocacy, and public dialogue to pave the way for a more enlightened and compassionate approach to psychedelics.

7. Marijuana Legalization and its Impact on Healthcare:

The podcast delves into the complexities of marijuana legalization, highlighting the ongoing debate surrounding its medical benefits and the limitations of current regulations.
Doblin discusses MAPS’ ongoing research on marijuana for PTSD and the potential for its use as an alternative to pharmaceutical medications, emphasizing its potential cost-effectiveness and therapeutic value.
The podcast explores the challenges posed by the government monopoly on marijuana research, which hinders access to diverse strains and impedes private sector innovation.
Doblin advocates for the legalization of marijuana, arguing that it should be treated as a medicine with insurance coverage, similar to other federally approved substances.

8. The Importance of Self-Exploration and Personal Growth:

The podcast encourages listeners to engage in self-exploration and personal growth, recognizing that psychedelics can be a powerful tool for self-discovery and healing.
Doblin emphasizes the need for individual responsibility and awareness when using psychedelics, cautioning against irresponsible use and highlighting the importance of integration work.
The podcast promotes a nuanced and compassionate understanding of human experience, acknowledging the complexities of trauma, addiction, and the search for meaning in life.
Doblin encourages listeners to embrace the potential of psychedelics for personal transformation, recognizing that they can be a catalyst for self-acceptance, compassion, and positive change.

9. The Cultural Impact of Psychedelic Experiences:

The podcast explores the cultural impact of psychedelic experiences, highlighting their ability to challenge societal norms, expand consciousness, and foster a deeper appreciation for the interconnectedness of all things.
Doblin draws parallels between the countercultural movement of the 1960s and the current resurgence of interest in psychedelics, noting the evolving understanding of these substances and their potential for social change.
The podcast acknowledges the potential risks of psychedelic experiences, including the possibility of negative psychological effects and the challenges of integration, while emphasizing the importance of responsible use and a supportive environment.
Doblin argues that psychedelic experiences can contribute to a more compassionate and understanding world, fostering a sense of unity and interconnectedness that transcends cultural boundaries.

10. The Role of Personal Stories and Anecdotal Evidence:

The podcast recognizes the value of personal stories and anecdotal evidence in shaping public perception and advocating for change.
Doblin acknowledges the limitations of anecdotal evidence in scientific research, while also recognizing its power to humanize the experience of using psychedelics and to inspire hope for those seeking healing and transformation.
The podcast encourages listeners to share their own experiences with psychedelics, acknowledging the diverse range of perspectives and the importance of sharing personal narratives.
Doblin emphasizes the need to balance scientific rigor with human experience, recognizing the importance of both quantitative and qualitative data in understanding the impact of psychedelics.

11. The Power of Connection and Compassion:

The podcast explores the profound power of connection and compassion, emphasizing the role of empathy and understanding in navigating complex social and personal challenges.
Doblin argues that psychedelics can facilitate deeper connections and foster a more compassionate understanding of oneself and others.
The podcast highlights the need for a more humane approach to drug policy, recognizing the potential for harm reduction and compassionate care for those struggling with addiction and trauma.
Doblin encourages listeners to embrace a more holistic and compassionate view of human experience, recognizing the interconnectedness of all beings and the importance of building a more just and equitable world.

12. The Importance of Mindfulness and Self-Regulation:

The podcast emphasizes the importance of mindfulness and self-regulation, highlighting the role of these practices in navigating the complexities of life and managing stress and anxiety.
Doblin discusses the potential of psychedelics to enhance mindfulness and self-awareness, facilitating a deeper understanding of one’s own thought patterns, emotions, and behaviors.
The podcast encourages listeners to explore various mindfulness practices, including meditation, yoga, and other techniques that can promote self-awareness, emotional regulation, and inner peace.
Doblin emphasizes the need for a comprehensive approach to well-being, recognizing that psychedelics are but one tool among many that can contribute to a more fulfilling and meaningful life.

13. The Ethical Considerations of Psychedelic Research:

The podcast explores the ethical considerations of psychedelic research, recognizing the potential for harm and the need for careful safeguards and responsible practices.
Doblin discusses MAPS’ commitment to ethical research, highlighting their rigorous protocols, training for therapists, and ongoing monitoring of participants.
The podcast acknowledges the potential for misuse and exploitation of psychedelics, emphasizing the importance of informed consent, careful screening of participants, and a supportive therapeutic environment.
Doblin advocates for a more nuanced and responsible approach to psychedelic research, recognizing both the potential for healing and the need for careful consideration of ethical implications.

14. The Role of Technology in Psychedelic Research:

The podcast explores the role of technology in psychedelic research, highlighting its potential to enhance data collection, analysis, and dissemination of knowledge.
Doblin discusses the use of video recording, physiological monitoring, and other technologies to study the effects of psychedelics and to ensure the safety of participants.
The podcast acknowledges the potential for technology to expand access to psychedelic experiences and to facilitate remote therapeutic interventions.
Doblin emphasizes the need for ethical and responsible use of technology in psychedelic research, recognizing its power to both empower and potentially exploit.

15. The Power of Hope and Optimism:

The podcast conveys a sense of hope and optimism for the future of psychedelics, acknowledging the challenges ahead while emphasizing the potential for transformative change.
Doblin expresses confidence in the scientific evidence supporting the therapeutic benefits of psychedelics and the increasing acceptance of their potential for healing and personal growth.
The podcast encourages listeners to embrace a more compassionate and hopeful view of the world, recognizing the power of human connection, resilience, and the potential for positive change.
Doblin emphasizes the importance of collective action and individual responsibility in advocating for a more just and equitable world, recognizing that change is possible when we work together to build a better future.

5 Memorable Quotes:

“Science is the vehicle in our culture that we trust. More than our religions.”
“I think all psychedelic drugs should be an enhancer, but they shouldn’t be in replace of. Like, you shouldn’t say, you know, I’m just gonna be high from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep every single day, and this is how it exists. I’m just high all the time, high, high, high. Take a break, man.”
“I think it’s people are starting to understand the true nature of these things. instead of the propaganda.”
“The amount of people that actually from ecstasy versus skiing. Very low. Very very sensitive.”
“It doesn’t need to we’re about to start a study with marijuana. I basically started trying to do drug development research with marijuana 1992. This is the first time in 2016, but So there’s no established medical benefits of marijuana that have been proven in any scientific way?”