JRE #631 – Josh Barnett

This episode delves into the fascinating world of MMA with Josh Barnett, a heavyweight fighter with a wealth of experience and unique perspectives. Topics range from the mental and physical demands of the sport to the importance of adaptability and the complexities of training. Controversial points include discussions on performance enhancing drugs, the validity of “natural” bodybuilding, and the potential impact of genetic predispositions. Underlying themes explore the pursuit of excellence, the complexities of human nature, and the importance of personal integrity within a competitive landscape.

1. The Myth of the “Freak Athlete”:

• Joe and Josh debate the role of natural talent and genetics in athletic success.
• They acknowledge that some individuals possess extraordinary abilities that cannot be replicated through training alone.
• They use Herschel Walker as an example of someone who excelled despite not being the top performer in his chosen sport, highlighting the impact of genetics and mental fortitude.
• This topic explores the complex interplay between genetics, training, and determination in achieving peak performance.

2. The Importance of Adaptability in MMA:

• Josh emphasizes that fighters who rely solely on brute strength and speed will eventually decline as their bodies age.
• He emphasizes the need for a well-rounded skillset and the ability to adapt to evolving challenges.
• This topic highlights the importance of continuous learning and the ability to adjust one’s fighting style to remain competitive.
• Josh uses the example of Junior dos Santos, a former champion whose durability has diminished over time, showcasing the need to adapt to the inevitable physical limitations.

3. The Mentality of an MMA Fighter:

• Josh talks about the importance of mental toughness and the ability to overcome adversity.
• He describes how he and other fighters train relentlessly, even when faced with challenges and setbacks.
• He stresses the value of continuous learning and the willingness to embrace being a beginner in new areas.
• This topic explores the mental game of MMA, emphasizing the importance of a strong and resilient mindset for sustained success.

4. The Complexity of MMA Beyond Brute Force:

• Josh emphasizes that MMA involves a deep well of technical knowledge and skill beyond what casual fans might perceive.
• He highlights the importance of a wide range of techniques, strategies, and training methods for achieving success in the sport.
• This topic challenges the common misconception that MMA is simply a brute force sport, emphasizing the importance of technical prowess and strategic thinking.
• Josh speaks about the need for fighters to understand the subtle nuances of the sport and to continuously develop their skillset.

5. The “Unwritten Rules” of Training and Respect:

• Josh shares a heated story involving John Wayne Parr, a Muay Thai fighter, and his experience training at CSW.
• He challenges Parr’s account of their training, arguing that he was not disrespectful and went out of his way to help him.
• This topic explores the unwritten rules of respect and camaraderie that are expected in a training environment.
• Josh argues that Parr’s story is an attempt to gain attention and notoriety, showcasing the potential for dishonesty and ego within the world of MMA.

6. The Double-Edged Sword of “Natural” Talent:

• Josh talks about Hector Lombard, a highly skilled and physically gifted fighter who has struggled with consistency due to mental instability.
• He argues that Lombard’s potential has been hindered by his inability to control his emotions and to harness his strengths.
• This topic explores the challenges of dealing with the pressures of success and the potential for “natural talent” to be a double-edged sword.
• Josh emphasizes the importance of a well-rounded individual, including mental strength and discipline, for achieving lasting success.

7. The Importance of Continuous Learning:

• Josh highlights the importance of always striving to learn and improve, regardless of one’s experience level.
• He describes his own experiences training in various martial arts, including karate, savate, and judo, emphasizing the benefits of continuous learning.
• This topic emphasizes the value of a growth mindset and the pursuit of knowledge as essential components of success.
• Josh showcases how learning new skills can enhance existing ones and provide valuable insights into different fighting styles.

8. The Evolution of MMA and the Future of Tournaments:

• Josh shares his thoughts on the current state of MMA and his belief that tournaments would bring back excitement to the sport.
• He argues that the current format of individual fights can be predictable and lack the intensity of a single-night tournament.
• This topic explores the potential for MMA to evolve and to incorporate elements from other combat sports that have thrived with tournaments.
• Josh highlights the benefits of tournaments, including establishing hierarchy, showcasing resilience, and generating excitement for fans.

9. The Importance of “Finishing” in MMA:

• Josh emphasizes the importance of fighters aiming to finish their opponents, not just to dominate them.
• He argues that stalling and focusing on control without seeking a decisive victory can be detrimental to the sport’s excitement and to the fighter’s development.
• This topic delves into the dynamics of MMA, highlighting the need for fighters to be aggressive and to seek a decisive finish.
• Josh points out that the current format of rounds, with fighters being stood up after a certain period, can reward fighters who stall and avoid risk.

10. The Value of a “Dogfight” in MMA:

• Josh describes himself as a fighter who never quits, even when facing significant challenges.
• He argues that such “dogfights” are essential for showcasing the true grit and determination of MMA fighters.
• This topic emphasizes the importance of fighting spirit and resilience, even when faced with seemingly insurmountable odds.
• Josh showcases the importance of mental toughness and the willingness to push through pain and fatigue for success.

11. The Impact of MMA Training on Other Areas of Life:

• Josh shares how his MMA training has impacted his approach to other aspects of his life, including acting and commentary.
• He talks about the importance of constantly challenging himself and seeking new experiences beyond the realm of fighting.
• This topic explores the transferable skills developed through MMA, showcasing how discipline, resilience, and a growth mindset can be applied to various endeavors.
• Josh highlights the importance of personal evolution and the pursuit of new opportunities outside of one’s primary career path.

12. The Dangers of Corporate Influence on Science:

• Josh discusses a video of a Monsanto scientist claiming that their herbicide Roundup is safe to drink.
• He critiques the scientist’s statement, highlighting the potential for corporate influence to distort scientific findings.
• This topic raises concerns about the ethical implications of corporate influence on research and the potential for misinformation to be disseminated.
• Josh connects this to the broader issue of corporate control over information and the need for critical thinking and independent verification.

13. The Importance of Personal Accountability and Integrity:

• Josh expresses frustration with individuals who lack integrity and who exploit their positions for personal gain.
• He discusses the LIBOR scandal and the consequences of unethical behavior in the financial sector, showcasing the need for greater accountability.
• This topic explores the broader theme of personal responsibility and the importance of ethical conduct in all areas of life.
• Josh emphasizes that true success requires not only talent but also a strong moral compass and a commitment to honesty and integrity.

14. The Power of Humility and Embracing the Beginner Mindset:

• Josh discusses his own experience training in karate, highlighting the value of embracing the beginner mindset.
• He encourages others to be open to new experiences and to view learning as an ongoing process.
• This topic underscores the importance of humility and the recognition that there is always more to learn.
• Josh showcases the value of continuous self-improvement and the benefits of challenging oneself with new skills and experiences.

15. The Importance of Finding Motivation Beyond “The Grind”:

• Josh discusses his motivation for fighting, emphasizing the need to be driven by personal passion and purpose.
• He explains why he was not motivated for his last fight against Travis Brown, highlighting the importance of finding meaning in a fight beyond just the pursuit of a title.
• This topic explores the complexities of motivation and the need for fighters to find a personal connection to their work.
• Josh acknowledges that his approach to fighting has evolved over time, showcasing the importance of personal growth and finding meaning in one’s pursuits.

16. The Impact of Disrespect and the Drive for Revenge:

• Josh discusses the disrespect he felt from Travis Brown after their fight, highlighting how such actions can fuel motivation for a rematch.
• He expresses his desire to “make him pay” for his actions, showcasing the powerful impact of disrespect on a fighter’s mindset.
• This topic explores the emotional side of MMA, highlighting how personal issues can influence a fighter’s performance and motivation.
• Josh demonstrates that even experienced fighters can be driven by personal grievances and the desire for retribution.

17. The Importance of Finding the Right Training Environment:

• Josh discusses his decision to move from Seattle to Southern California, highlighting the importance of finding a training environment that provides the right resources and support.
• He talks about the importance of having the right training partners and access to experienced coaches.
• This topic highlights the critical role that training environment plays in a fighter’s development and success.
• Josh emphasizes that finding the right gym and training partners can significantly enhance a fighter’s progress and create a supportive community.

18. The Complexities of Performance-Enhancing Drugs in MMA:

• Josh discusses the use of steroids in MMA, acknowledging that they can provide a significant advantage.
• He argues that it is difficult to truly assess the impact of steroids on a fighter’s performance, but acknowledges that they can contribute to increased strength and recovery.
• This topic delves into the controversial issue of performance-enhancing drugs in combat sports, acknowledging the ethical and medical challenges associated with their use.
• Josh highlights the need for stricter testing and greater transparency regarding the use of these substances in MMA.

19. The Importance of “Combat Cock”:

• Josh jokes about the importance of wearing a cup during grappling competitions, highlighting the potential for injury.
• He references a story of Brian Foster, a fighter who lost a testicle due to a kick to the groin, showcasing the potential risks of the sport.
• This humorous topic explores the often-overlooked dangers of MMA, emphasizing the need for fighters to protect themselves and to be aware of potential injury.
• Josh lightheartedly points out the importance of taking precautions to avoid such injuries, demonstrating the importance of safety in a high-impact sport.

20. The Role of the Referee in MMA:

• Josh discusses the importance of having skilled and experienced referees in MMA.
• He criticizes instances where referees have stopped fights prematurely or failed to recognize clear submissions.
• This topic highlights the importance of officiating in MMA, showcasing the need for referees to be able to make objective decisions in high-pressure situations.
• Josh emphasizes the impact that referee decisions can have on the outcome of fights and the need for greater consistency and accuracy in officiating.

5 Memorable Quotes:

• “Nature’s a bitch. The fire will murder you, will drown you, will set you on fire, and we’ll also just let you show up, you know, the the proverbial gene pool has been pissed in. with, you know, get born with stubby fingers or — Mhmm. — you know, half a leg or, like, down syndrome, like, well, good luck. Yeah. Good to see how that works. Yeah. And if you’re an athlete, no matter what you do. Like, there’s certain guys use, you know, the Hershel Walkers, there’s certain types of dudes. They that just are always gonna have that giant advantage.” – Josh acknowledges the impact of genetic predisposition on athletic potential, highlighting the inherent unfairness of natural talent.
• “If you don’t have the type of mind that can be that dedicated, that obsessive, that that can that can be easy going and you need to be easy going and be completely unmovable when you need to be. Yeah. That unshaking and un unfettered confidence.” – Josh emphasizes the importance of a dedicated and confident mindset, outlining the mental qualities essential for success in MMA.
• “Failing’s okay. As long as you learn from it, it’s some one of the best motivators ever.” – Josh underscores the importance of learning from failure, highlighting that setbacks can be valuable opportunities for growth and improvement.
• “You gotta learn how to fish. and you learn how to fish. It doesn’t matter if I tell you, okay. Well, I want you to use your jab to score on this guy’s chin. you will figure out the way that you need to to use your jab to score on that guy’s chin. You will make the jab that you possessed the most effective jab you have ever known because you understand.” – Josh highlights the importance of teaching transferable skills rather than relying on specific instructions, advocating for a more autonomous learning process.
• “If you’re an honest person, you’re a real person, then I I don’t give a shit. That’s not I’m not really impressed by people that can try to portray being something that they aren’t or make themselves into something that they aren’t. I’m more interested in people who are exactly who they are, and that’s fine.” – Josh emphasizes the importance of authenticity and personal integrity, highlighting his preference for genuine individuals over those who try to project a false image.