JRE #486 – Brendan Schaub & Bryan Callen

This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience features Brendan Schaub, a mixed martial artist and former college & pro football player, and Bryan Callen, an actor and stand-up comedian, who together host “The Fighter & The Kid” podcast. The conversation touches on a wide range of topics, from fitness and nutrition to the world of combat sports, and even dives into some provocative discussions about human nature and cultural norms.

Major Podcast Topics

1. Mycotoxins in Coffee

   1. Mycotoxins are toxins produced by fungi that can contaminate coffee beans.
   2. They were a significant issue in the past but have been mostly addressed through rigorous testing and proper coffee preparation.
   3. High-quality coffee beans, especially those sourced from dry climates, are typically mycotoxin-free.
   4. According to Dr. Rhonda Patrick, even small doses of mycotoxins may provide a positive effect by stimulating the immune system.

2. The Impact of Epigenetics on Fighting

   1. Studies have shown that traumatic experiences can be passed down through sperm, potentially influencing future generations.
   2. This suggests that individuals whose ancestors experienced trauma may be more prone to mental health issues.
   3. This phenomenon highlights the potential for inherited resilience and the role of environmental factors in shaping mental and physical characteristics.
   4. It raises questions about the nature versus nurture debate in the context of combat sports, particularly when comparing fighters from different backgrounds.

3. The Evolution of Physical Attraction

   1. The podcast explores the evolutionary roots of human attraction, with a focus on the appeal of curvy bodies in women.
   2. It proposes that larger breasts and buttocks indicate a woman’s ability to nourish and care for offspring, making them desirable mates from an evolutionary standpoint.
   3. The discussion touches on the cultural and societal influences on beauty standards, citing examples like foot binding in ancient China.
   4. It also delves into the male perspective on physical attributes, noting that while men may be attracted to larger physical features, they are also susceptible to visual deception through cosmetic enhancements.

4. The “Bulletproof” Coffee Trend

   1. Brendan Schaub advocates for the consumption of “bulletproof” coffee, a blend of coffee, butter, and MCT oil.
   2. This approach aims to provide sustained energy and satiety, promoting a healthy and efficient workout routine.
   3. The benefits of the “bulletproof” blend are attributed to the slow-burning energy release provided by the healthy fats, combined with the caffeine.
   4. The podcast explores the potential downsides of the “bulletproof” blend, highlighting the calorie content and the importance of mindful consumption.

5. The Role of Gluten in Fitness

   1. The discussion highlights the potential downsides of gluten consumption, especially in the context of fitness and performance.
   2. It mentions that gluten can cause inflammation in the body, leading to a bloated appearance and potentially hindering athletic performance.
   3. The podcast advocates for a “clean burn” diet, emphasizing the importance of nutrient-rich foods like sweet potatoes, chicken breasts, fish, and game meats.
   4. It suggests that while indulging in gluten-rich foods occasionally is acceptable, a focus on clean-burning foods is crucial for optimal physical performance.

6. The Importance of Mental Toughness in Combat Sports

   1. The podcast discusses the unique mental fortitude required for combat sports, particularly when compared to other athletic pursuits.
   2. It highlights the inherent danger and risk involved in fighting, emphasizing the need to overcome fear and embrace physical pain.
   3. Brendan Schaub’s personal experiences with training partners like Shane Carwin and his preparation for fights illustrate the intense mental and physical demands of the sport.
   4. The discussion explores the psychological impact of repeated trauma and the potential for developing mental health issues, particularly in the later stages of a fighter’s career.

7. The Use of TRT and Performance Enhancing Drugs in MMA

   1. The podcast delves into the controversial topic of TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) and other performance-enhancing drugs in mixed martial arts.
   2. It acknowledges the historical prevalence of TRT use among fighters, highlighting its potential benefits for recovery and performance.
   3. The discussion emphasizes the ethical and moral considerations surrounding the use of these substances, exploring the competitive advantage they may offer.
   4. It touches on the debate about the long-term health consequences of steroid use and the need for rigorous testing to ensure fair competition.

8. The Evolution of MMA Athletes

   1. The podcast discusses the growing trend of athletes from other sports transitioning to MMA, particularly from football and basketball.
   2. It acknowledges the inherent athleticism these athletes bring to the sport, but also highlights the challenges they face in learning MMA techniques.
   3. It explores the potential for a future where MMA is dominated by “freak athletes,” raising questions about the impact on the sport’s evolution and the balance of skill and physicality.
   4. It also addresses the issue of pay disparity in MMA, comparing the earnings of top fighters with those of athletes in other major sports.

9. The Importance of Matchups in MMA

   1. The podcast emphasizes the crucial role of matchups in determining the outcome of MMA fights, highlighting the importance of style and strategy.
   2. It uses specific examples like Cain Velasquez versus Brock Lesnar and Junior dos Santos versus Cain Velasquez to illustrate the impact of stylistic differences on fight results.
   3. It explores the dynamic between fighters’ physical attributes and skill sets, suggesting that a fighter’s potential for success is often dictated by who they face in the octagon.
   4. It emphasizes the importance of fighters adapting their strategies and training to effectively counter their opponents’ strengths and weaknesses.

10. The Mental and Physical Demands of Hunting

    1. The podcast explores the physical and mental challenges of bow hunting, contrasting it with the ease and efficiency of using a rifle with a scope.
    2. It highlights the importance of patience, precision, and intimate knowledge of animal behavior for successful bow hunting.
    3. The discussion delves into the ethical considerations of hunting, emphasizing the importance of ethical hunting practices and the potential for animal suffering when using a rifle.
    4. It touches on the thrill of the hunt and the connection to nature that it can provide, acknowledging the potential for both excitement and ethical complexities.

11. The Benefits of Jiu-Jitsu Training

    1. The podcast discusses the advantages of incorporating jiu-jitsu training into an MMA fighter’s routine, highlighting its impact on technique and defense.
    2. It emphasizes the importance of developing grappling skills, particularly in the context of dealing with a stronger opponent.
    3. Brendan Schaub’s personal experience with training in the gi (uniform) suggests that it improves a fighter’s ability to defend against strikes, as it requires more precision and technique.
    4. The discussion acknowledges the potential downsides of jiu-jitsu training, particularly for fighters who rely primarily on striking, but ultimately emphasizes its overall benefits in developing a well-rounded skillset.

12. The Prevalence of Steroids in Combat Sports

    1. The podcast touches on the widespread use of steroids in combat sports, acknowledging the temptation to enhance physical performance and the potential competitive advantage they offer.
    2. It cites specific examples like Tim Sylvia and Hector Lombard to illustrate how steroid use can transform a fighter’s physique and performance.
    3. The discussion explores the ethical and moral considerations surrounding steroid use, highlighting the potential health consequences and the need for rigorous testing.
    4. It also touches on the public perception of steroid use, noting that while some fans may accept it as a part of the sport, others view it as a betrayal of the spirit of competition.

13. The Role of Trauma and Mental Health in Combat Sports

    1. The podcast touches on the psychological impact of combat sports, particularly in relation to repeated trauma and the potential for developing mental health issues.
    2. It explores the connection between head trauma and conditions like CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy) and discusses the potential for these issues to manifest later in life.
    3. The discussion delves into the experiences of fighters who have faced significant trauma, both in and out of the ring, highlighting the importance of mental health awareness and support.
    4. It emphasizes the need for fighters to prioritize their long-term well-being, considering the potential consequences of repeated trauma and the importance of seeking help when needed.

14. The Importance of “The Fighter & The Kid” Podcast

    1. The podcast highlights the success of Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen’s “The Fighter & The Kid” podcast, explaining its appeal to listeners.
    2. It emphasizes the dynamic between the two hosts, noting that their contrasting personalities create a compelling listening experience.
    3. The discussion suggests that the podcast’s success stems from its ability to engage with a diverse audience, covering a wide range of topics with humor and honesty.
    4. It touches on the importance of finding a balance between seriousness and levity in podcasting, highlighting the value of both insightful discussions and entertaining anecdotes.

15. The Potential for Future Podcast Collaboration

    1. The podcast concludes with a discussion about the potential for future collaborations between Joe Rogan, Brendan Schaub, and Bryan Callen.
    2. It suggests the possibility of creating a joint podcast episode or series, capitalizing on their shared interests and unique perspectives.
    3. The discussion highlights the potential for a collaborative effort to expand the reach of “The Fighter & The Kid” podcast and provide an alternative platform for MMA-related content.
    4. It emphasizes the value of fostering creativity and collaboration within the podcasting community, creating opportunities for shared insights and entertaining content.

16. The Impact of Censorship on Podcast Content

    1. The podcast touches on the issue of censorship in podcasting, particularly in relation to the use of profanity and controversial topics.
    2. It critiques the practice of censoring content, arguing that it limits free speech and stifles creativity.
    3. The discussion emphasizes the importance of providing listeners with the freedom to make their own judgments about the content they consume, rather than imposing restrictions based on perceived offensiveness.
    4. It advocates for a more open and inclusive approach to podcasting, encouraging a greater range of voices and perspectives to be heard.

17. The Allure and Danger of Rigid Belief Systems

    1. The podcast explores the allure and dangers of rigid belief systems, particularly in the context of Scientology.
    2. It acknowledges the appeal of having a clear framework for understanding the world and the comfort it can provide.
    3. It also highlights the potential for these systems to become oppressive and harmful when they stifle critical thinking and individual autonomy.
    4. The discussion touches on the complexities of indoctrination and deprogramming, emphasizing the challenges of questioning beliefs that have been ingrained over time.

18. The Importance of Challenging Conventional Norms

    1. The podcast encourages listeners to question conventional norms and societal expectations, particularly in relation to parenting and personal choices.
    2. It suggests that individuals should prioritize their own happiness and fulfillment, rather than conforming to societal pressures to have children or follow a specific life path.
    3. The discussion emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and the need to make choices that align with one’s values and aspirations.
    4. It promotes an open and honest dialogue about personal choices and the challenges of navigating societal expectations.

Memorable Quotes

1. “If you buy really good coffee, which is most of you what you buy, most likely, you’re not gonna have any issues whatsoever.”
2. “The coffee experts aren’t worrying about that. And you talk to coffee experts, they’re all worried about taste and flavor and where they’re grown.”
3. “Good luck competing with those guys over in Siberia. They’re just hungry. You’re fucked, man. Yeah. Just forget it.”
4. “My my brother told me about this and was like, hey, you realize in in 50 years, coffee is gonna be no longer — Yeah. — freaked out. I freaked out.”
5. “I I think you you you look like the UFC and guys starting to come around, but people think to me, you know, in 10 years, we have all these freak athletes. You’re not man.”